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# 11377 :  Wherefore God also gave them up

In Romans 1 we read the phrase “God also gave them up” to their own sinfulness. There are 3 instances in which the word 'gave up'(Paradidomi’) has being repeated in this passage. It means to-

1. to give into the hands (of another)

2. to give over into (one's) power or use

There are other instances where it shows God giving up man/nations as a result of their own evil deeds.

My question on one of the previous thread was this- If man is already in sin, why does God need to ‘give’ him over to sin?

Does God exercise a level of constraint on unrighteous men, does He withhold man from sinning, so that man does not descend further into his own unrighteousness?

While we were studying from the book of Genesis in our bible study group couple of weeks ago, I came across Gen 20:6, where we see God withholding Abimelech from sinning. Eventhough the context there is different, it was fascinating to read of God’s actions in that account. A God who saw the ‘innocence’ of Abimelech heart in Genesis in contrast to a God who saw the evil in the heart of the unrighteous man in Roman’s 1. A God who withholds man from sinning in contrast to a God who gives up man to his own sinfulness.

We always know of the Lord who comes in search of the lost sheep, but here is our Lord who exercises judgement, who ‘gives man up’ to:

a)  uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts(v24)

b)  unto vile affections(v26)

c)   to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient(v28)

Please feel free to contribute to this thread as the Lord leads you.

 

Post by : allentvarghese  View Profile    since : 20 Mar 2019


Reply by : George P. Koshy   View Profile   Since : 29 Mar 2019 3:44:29 PM Close

Dear Allen,

 

Thank you making it clear on your previous question. Allow me to add a few thoughts.

 

The expression “God gave them up” (PAREDOKEN AUTOUS O THEOS = gave up them God) is seen in Romans 1:24, 26, 28. In verse 24, God did that because they knew God but did not glorify Him as God. In verse 26, it was because they changed the truth of God into falsehood. In verse 28, it was because they practiced homosexuality of all kinds.

 

In these verses, we read about the progress of the lust of the flesh from not glorifying God, to changing the truth into falsehood, to indulging in homosexuality. There are people who indulge in all these and demand that God should accept them as they are because “God is love.” They know how to quote the Scripture as Satan does.

 

God created man as male and female (Genesis 2, Matthew 10:8-9) and not as male-male, female-female, male-in-female, or female-in-male. When homosexuals make claims and demands, then what they are doing is without glorifying God they are changing the truth and practicing what they should not practice.

 

Let me explain this. Cross dressing is the first evidence of proclaiming that a male is a female or a female is a male. They deny that a male is a male and a female is a female. They resort to that they always knew that a female is trapped into a male-body or a male is trapped into a female-body. This was their explanation before we had the cyber-space.

 

In this cyber-space age, they cross-dress by assuming an ID that is misleading, but agrees with their homosexual preferences. That is, a male will assume a female identity and a female will assume a male identity. That is how they cross dress in the cyber-space. Such a person is the one who “God gave them up.” Unfortunately, many on this Forum are willing to accept them as their teachers. We live in cyber-space as blind being led by the blind—those who are already given up by God.

  

It will be interesting to read Matthew 19:8-9 along with 1 John 2—especially, verses 4, 15-16, 19, 27, and 29.

 

Shalom Malekim!!!

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Reply by : allentvarghese   View Profile   Since : 2 May 2019 6:53:00 AM Close

Dear Br. Koshy and all,

 

Thanks for your posting on this subject. Apologies for not posting this earlier. What got me thinking on this subject was what I had mentioned in another thread, http://keralabrethren.net/boardkb/view.asp?id=9383&forum=General. Sadly i got news that the brother who was mentioned in the previous thread is no longer a part of the church, has changed his gender and refuses to be called by his original name. It is indeed tragic that we have to deal with these issues in our own assemblies and families.

 

If we take the example of this brother. He was born into this world a sinner and will stay a sinner unless God through His infinite mercy lifts him up from his sinful state. He can continue to reject glorifying Him as God, change His truth into falsehood, continue to live with his lustful thoughts.

 

One would not need an act of God for him to continue in this condition. But the verse says, ‘God gave them up’. This is an explicit act of God wherein He gives up man to his own uncleanness. Almost like a point of no return.

 

In order for God to give something up, it needs to be in His possession in the first place. God being the omnipotent, sovereign being, has everything under His control. This would also include control over sinful men from further descending into his/her sinfulness.

 

Does that suggest that there is a sinful condition even worse than a sinner is in already? A condition which needs God’s intervention to give him/her up to? A condition where one is ‘filled’ (Rm1:29 πληροω) with all unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, evil to a point where it could spell destruction for people, communities, states, even countries involved?

 

The people of Sodom and Gomorrah had their hearts full of sin and wickedness but it not only remained constrained within themselves but burst out visibly resulting into adulterous actions and their destructive behaviours. But is man always so vile and destructive and have our socieites turned chaotic?

 

Even though man’s heart is “deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked”, he still possesses signs of God’s restraint on evil. For example, one’s conscience. Even though conscience depends on his/her belief systems and cannot be trusted all the time, there is still an inherent sense of right and wrong that man possesses. Man is still capable of doing ‘righteous’ deeds ( although ‘righteousness’ is subjective to what he/she believes). In the previous thread ‘appachan’ mentioned interestingly, “Even unbelievers know in their conscience that sexual activity outside of marriage is sinful”

 

The reason we do not see many more Sodom & Gomorrah’s in our age is because of this restraint that God has built within man. The rule of law, justice systems, civil governments, police, families, social constructs around the world are some evidences of systems that are in place that prevent mankind from descending into utter chaos.  

 

If these restraints are taken off (and it will happen one day- 2 Thes 2:7), then we will see the true extent of evil in a man’s heart. We will really see what it is to have man ‘given over/surrendered/abandoned’ to his/her own sinfulness.  

 

We are already seeing evidences of a degrading society all around us. The morality of mankind as we know it has taken a nosedive and God will not deal mercifully with man forever. The sign’s of God ‘giving up’ mankind becomes more and more clear day by day.

 

But do you know what else God ‘gave up’? It happened more than two thousand years ago. It was His beloved Son, Jesus Christ our saviour, to die on the cruel cross for our sins so that we may never have to be 'given up' to eternal damnation but to be saved and made joint heirs with Christ.


Praise the Lord!!

 

Rm 8:32 “He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him(gave up) up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?”

Rm 4:25, “Who was delivered (given up)for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.”

 

PS: These are some thoughts that have burdened my heart for the past couple of months. I apologize if these writings have gone against any biblical doctrines and I am more than happy to be corrected.

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