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# 00263 :  ALCOHOLISM IN OUR BRETHRENS

I KNOW SOME OF OUR BELEIVERS ARE HAVING ALCOHOL(  Madhyam) rarley. I belive it is not good for a vishwasi.

HOW CAN I STOP THEM FROM THIS ACTIVITY AFTER SHOWING SOME WORDS FROM BIBLE. WHAT BIBLE SAYING ABOUT THIS ISSEU

Post by : ayyopavam  View Profile    since : 9 Nov 2010


Reply by : avoid_legalism   View Profile   Since : 7 Dec 2010 7:36:48 PM Close

I knew there was a thread!

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Reply by : solo77das   View Profile   Since : 23 Feb 2012 4:40:23 PM Close

  Iam working as counsellor among alcoholics, we teach them principles based on Bible. Consuming alcohol for little or more is wrong, same way telling a small lie or big lie is wrong. In Bible we know many references are there regarding wine, it doesn't mean that we can find excuse of consuming it. Bible never say that take regularly. Paul once mentioned that you can take as medicine.Ask yourself, why you want to consume alcohol? What's your excuse of consuming? What's your intention and purpose? At the end, our mind and heart is so evil that we will seek support or find justification specially from Bible to fulfill our desires. Pleas be careful and ask grace form God for self control and discipline life. Our God Lord Jesus is ready to help us in all situation.

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Reply by : avoid_legalism   View Profile   Since : 9 Mar 2012 3:36:48 PM Close

There are many reasons why we can argue that drinking alcohol is unwise and also that drinking alcohol is not a good idea.  But please be careful--scripture does not condemn drinking alcohol, nor does it define it as sin.  Drunkenness is clearly a sin, as is gluttony and excess in various forms.

If drinking was sinful, then how do you explain the Lord creating wine out of water--wouldn't he be enabling sin and endorsing people to sin if drinking was wrong?  We know from James that God does not tempt to sin. 

because Pasteurization is a recent phenomenon, it can even be shown that at the original last supper they consumed wine out of the cup.

My point is not to make drinking ok--each person must judge that for themselves between God, and their own conscience.  For me, I've decided it's not wise.

One thing is for sure--please do not say that scripture condemns it or that it is sin, because the Bible definitely does not teach this.

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Reply by : svarg   View Profile   Since : 2 May 2012 6:43:57 PM Close

Ayyo papam.

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Reply by : svarg   View Profile   Since : 4 May 2012 7:20:16 PM Close

Wine is not alcohol. It''s good for your heart. American cancer society approved drinking a glass of wine good for your heart. The wine that Jesus made would have been pure wine with free of alcohol.

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Reply by : tgeorgechi   View Profile   Since : 5 May 2012 8:05:48 PM Close

Dear  Bro. Svarg,

The majority of wine sold in stores and establishments these days ARE ALCOHOLIC unless one is drinking non-alcoholic wines. Wines do have an alcoholic content between 9% and 16%. True there is nothing in the bible that condemns wine drinking but it condemns drunkeness - but the bible is in my opinion vague about how much wine makes one drunk - few folks tell me it takes between one to sometimes five glasses of wine for some to get drunk, depends on their weight, health, environment, mental and emotional stability etc. The Bible mentions taking wine for stomach ailments - it was written at a time when medicines targeted for particular ailments were not readily available, but in the culture prevalent at that time wine (fermented (alcoholic) or unfermented (non-alcoholic) were more readily available for immediate treatment. In this day and age when we have medicines available targeted for all types of stomach ailments from pain to ulcers, do you really advocate drinking wine to cure / alleviate discomfort temporarily since the Bible does not condemn it???? Daily intake of wine has been known through studies leading to becoming an alcoholic, people get addicted to imbibing a glass or two whether thay have discomfort or not. God bless you!!!

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Reply by : avoid_legalism   View Profile   Since : 9 May 2012 4:37:38 PM Close

Br. TGeorgechi: wine with no alcohol is called grape juice!!

Br. Svarg:

Jesus most definitely drank wine that had alcohol content.  How do we know this?  2 reasons, one Biblical, one not Biblical:

1. In Matthew 11, jesus talks about how the pharisees responded to John, and how they responded to himself.  To John, who was a nazerite, they said he had a devil.  But to Jesus, who ate with sinners, they called him a drunkard.  (Matt 11:18-19)

2. So we know from the above, that he drank wine.  Now was this wine that he drank with or without alcoholic content?  It wasn't until Louis Pasteur created pasteurization that it was possible to keep grape juice for long times without it fermenting.  Consequently, we know that Jesus ingested wine and not grape juice.

It all really doesn't matter, as drinking alcohol is never condemned in scripture.  but as TGeorgechi has pointed out, you have to be careful--for even consuming it for health reasons could lead to addiction.

 

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Reply by : svarg   View Profile   Since : 18 Jul 2012 2:56:37 PM Close

That's true. Not sure if the wine that Jesus made has alcohol in it. Scripture doesn't talk about it. It just says wine.

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Reply by : George P. Koshy   View Profile   Since : 18 Jul 2012 5:21:07 PM Close

Dear ‘svarg,’
 
In John 2, it says that the wine that Lord Jesus Christ made from water was more than the regular wine. We read in John 2:9-10, “… The feast-master calls the bridegroom, and says to him, Every man sets on first the good wine, and when men have well drunk, then the inferior; you have kept the good wine till now.”  In other words, the wine that was provided by Lord Jesus Christ was better than the good wine that was given to make the guest drunk, at the beginning of the feast. That statement from the feast-master should make us to say that there was alcohol in the wine that Lord Jesus Christ made in Cana of Galilee.
 
I hope that you will explain your reason to say, Not sure if the wine that Jesus made has alcohol in it.”

 

Shalom Malekim!!!

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Reply by : svarg   View Profile   Since : 18 Jul 2012 5:22:34 PM Close

Well it doesn't say that the wine had alcohol

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Reply by : avoid_legalism   View Profile   Since : 18 Jul 2012 7:57:21 PM Close

Of course the wine had alcohol.  you don't have to say it has it for it to be true.  If you say a car drove from point a to point b, does it have gas?  Of course it has gas--the car was driven.  If you say someone made wine, and if you say thta Jesus was a drunkard as the pharisees very much did, (See my post above dated 9 May 2012 4:37:38 PM ) then you can safely assume that there was alcohol was in the wine.

By the way, br. Svarg, why did you start another thread in the "General forum" when you knew about this discussion and even posted in this thread?  If you're not getting the answers you want, and  people are disagreeing with you, the solution is not to start another thread, but to search the scriptures for yourself as a Berean, and check if what everybody's saying is true.  If you have compelling reasons from the scriptures, please post them.  What you have posted thus far is not compelling, but assumption based on what you assume to be true.

 

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Reply by : svarg   View Profile   Since : 18 Jul 2012 8:25:06 PM Close

What is your issue if I start another thread. I didn't invite you to answer my questions. Don't be stupid.

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Reply by : George P. Koshy   View Profile   Since : 19 Jul 2012 12:33:26 PM Close

Dear 'svarg,'

On a forum like this, especially one that is not moderated, no one could say another member can or cannot reply to one's posting.  All have the same privileges and rights to post or not-to-post.  If one asks another a question, an answer is expected.  The answer could even be, "I don't want to answer."

About alcohol being in the wine at the feast at Cana of Galilee:  You say that there was no alcohol in it, because it does not say so.  On the other hand, there is another explanation which has more validity and that is based on John 2:9-10 that there was alcohol in it.  The Scripture is on the side of the later and not on the former, because the explanation is derived from the Scripture, in its context, and not from the use of the law of complement.  The former denial is derived by using the law of complement.  When there is positive indication as in verses 9-10, we should not negate the Scriptures by our logical constructs on the law of complement.

If you consider that there was no alcohol because it was just made, then you are denying the power of the Son to perform a miracle.  What you are saying is that it was not a miracle because it violates the laws of nature.  However, from the context (John 2:10) it is clear that it was a miracle.  A miracle is that which is in violation of the laws of nature and beyond the scientific knowledge that is derived from experience.  More than one laws of nature is violated in this miracle.  Some may say that the laws of nature are temporarily and locally suspended.  The Son who upholds all things by the word of His power created the wine in its total quality to show His power as the Creator, and He did this as the first miracle at Cana of Galilee.  We should not deny that.  It was a miracle of creation.  If we deny that, we are on our way to deny the creation of all thing by God, as written in Genesis 1.

Shalom Malekim!!!  

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