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# 00058 :  Sisters' Covering their Head
Dear Sisters There is a particular passage in the Bible (U all please refer and i dont want to quote) that sisters should cover their head in congregation as a symbol of subjugation. However some assemblies do not encourage to practise this! God Bless You All.
Post by : mja  View Profile    since : 30 Nov 2005


Reply by : believer   View Profile   Since : 30 Nov 2005 2:53:32 PM Close
Dear mja,

Would you please give the reference where you read "sisters should cover their head in congregation as a symbol of subjugation"?

regards,

Believer

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Reply by : etoile   View Profile   Since : 17 Mar 2006 2:47:43 PM Close
For if a woman does not cover her head, let her also have her hair cut off; but if it is disgraceful for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, let her cover her head.
1 cor. 11:6

i think that god would rather us spend our time PRAISING Him for His graciousness than worry if we should cover our heads

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Reply by : tinka   View Profile   Since : 1 May 2006 6:21:00 AM Close
Dear sis in Christ,
God had created Adam and then from Adam He created Eve. Then Eve sinned first(1Tim 2:11-14). Women became subjected to the authority of man, just as man is under the authority of the Lord(1Corn 11:5). Can we proclaim the glory of man infront of the Lord? So let us humbly give thanks to the Lord for He has saved us by His grace- both men and women and let us do what the Scripture teaches us to do, for God's wisdom is much more thanours and we can not fully comprehend Him. Give Him all glory, honour and praises.
Love in Christ Jesus,
Tinka
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Reply by : elsie   View Profile   Since : 9 May 2006 9:36:35 AM Close
Dear sisters, please read 1 cor 11:13-15.v:15 has been greatly misunderstood by many. Some believe since a woman's hair is given to her for a covering, it is not necessary to have any other covering. but such a teaching does grave violence to this portion of scripture. Unless we see that 2 coverings are mentioned in this chapter, then the passage becomes hopelessly confused. This may be demonstrated by referring back to v:6. There we read "for if a woman is not veiled, let her also be shorn" According to the interpretation just mentioned, this would mean that if a woman does not have her hair on, then she might just as well be shorn. but this would be ridiculous, if she did not have her hair on, there would be no need her to be shorn. The actual argument in v:15 is that there is a real analogy between the spiritual and natural. God gave woman a natural covering of glory in a way He did'nt give to man. There a spiritual significance to this. It teaches us that when a woman prays to God, she should wear a veil over her head. What is true in the natural sphere should be true in the spiritual.
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Reply by : mja   View Profile   Since : 10 May 2006 12:33:53 AM Close
Dear sister Elsie
That was nice.
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Reply by : atjob   View Profile   Since : 3 Apr 2007 8:40:13 AM Close
Dear sis,
First obey than argue,
The word of god giving command to obey us
if we don't
then?
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Reply by : gospelgypsies   View Profile   Since : 8 Feb 2010 9:04:59 AM Close

I was born in  Roman Catholic family, head uncovered, I was baptised when I was seven days old, head uncovered, I became a beliver when I was thirty nine years old, head uncovered, I was saved, head uncovered, I had a belivers baptism soon after, head uncovered, but now when it comes to the assembly issues they must have all women have their heads covered. If we are all saved by grace, I really think that it is not the veil that gives the womens head grace, but the glory of God that gives all women grace.  Moses covenent with God was to have all males circumcised, many still follow the practise, but few who have the grace, have surpassed the law.  Therefore one believers covenent with God to have her head covered does not give grace to another believer, God will definately grace all women  according to their quality deeds and not by quality veil.  I have seen majority of the women with their heads covered deligently in many assemblies, full of slander, gossip and asleep during the messages, you will find them wide awake after the messages and during the snack time, the old aunt will be the first to stand in line who will forget even her dietary restrictions, the younger women will never offer any help, .  They can be easily identified as believers because of their veil, and there are few women who go all out of their way to help other women in distress without their heads covered, who will God be pleased by and can anyone out here know for sure that God is pleased with him.  Every body talks about Adam the first man and Eve who started the beginning of sin, but few who talk about the blessing they recieved when they were together.  God did not bless them differently, He blessed them equally.  Eve's head was not covered then, and Adam did not have any covering.  Not all women mentioned in the Bible sinned, those who sinned were punished and those who were righteous and pure were blessed, not all those who did not have their heads covered were punished and all those who wore veils were saved.  A Nobel women in proverbs 31 speaks for itself, Genesis 2:18
The LORD God said, "It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him." Here the meaning in context is Helper means assistant, collaborator, co-workers, colleague, partner, Suitable means appropriate, suiting, fitting, apt, proper, right, its a pity where in many of the preachers and elders refer to these terms as lowly, under, below, some even address Eve as an evil woman.  Genesis 3 talks about the fall of man, but the entire Bible is for those who have found the favour of God which is  good turn, errand, acts of kindness, good deed, help, goodwill, support, kindness.  Man or Woman go ahead,  Genesis 1 27 So God created man in his own image,  in the image of God he created him;  male and female he created them. 28 God blessed them and said to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground." God did not distinguish male or female in the first chapter so why would he distinguish them later.  Isnt our God the Alpha and the Omega, True belivers live for grace, other believers live to race.

 

 

 

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Reply by : sunilajoseph@aol.com   View Profile   Since : 8 Feb 2010 7:37:05 PM Close

Passage 1 Corinthians 11:5-10:
5but every wife[a] who prays or(A) prophesies(B) with her head uncovered dishonors her head, since it is the same(C) as if her head were shaven. 6For if a wife will not cover her head, then she should cut her hair short. But since it is disgraceful for a wife to cut off her hair or shave her head, let her cover her head. 7For a man ought not to cover his head, since(D) he is the image and glory of God, but(E) woman is the glory of man. 8For(F) man was not made from woman, but woman from man. 9Neither was man created for woman, but(G) woman for man. 10That is why a wife ought to have a symbol of authority on her head, because of the angels.[b]
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These verses says wife must cover her hair (head) to show authority over her is for her husband.  She is under her husband's authority. She is subitted to him..  Angels are sent to observe and report what we do.  Angels will not be displeased to us when they see our head covered. They understand wife is under her husband's authority.

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Passage 1 Corinthians 11:3-5:
3But I want you to understand that(A) the head of every man is Christ,(B) the head of a wife[a] is her husband, and(C) the head of Christ is God. 4Every man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonors his head, 5but every wife[b] who prays or(D) prophesies(E) with her head uncovered dishonors her head, since it is the same(F) as if her head were shaven.

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The above verse means every women who are praying without her hair (head) covered is dishonoring her husband.. Because the head of a wife is her husband.

 

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Reply by : gospelgypsies   View Profile   Since : 10 Feb 2010 6:59:32 AM Close

Dear Sunila,

You have given the right verses, with the right context, but however you have missed the meaning of the word, uncovered here means bald or shaven or short hair.  In the early days due to various skin problems or punishment or mourning people used to cut their hair bald, or shaven or short to signify uncleanliness or under treatment you can find significance of cleansing or the meaning of losing hair in the following verses so they would cover their heads for protection against weather or against people.  

Leviticus 13:40
"When a man has lost his hair and is bald, he is clean.
 

Leviticus 13:41
If he has lost his hair from the front of his scalp and has a bald forehead, he is clean.
 

Leviticus 13:42
But if he has a reddish-white sore on his bald head or forehead, it is an infectious disease breaking out on his head or forehead.
 

2 Kings 2:23
[ Elisha Is Jeered ] From there Elisha went up to Bethel. As he was walking along the road, some youths came out of the town and jeered at him. "Go on up, you baldhead!" they said. "Go on up, you baldhead!"
2 Kings 2:22-24 (in Context) 2 Kings 2 (Whole Chapter)

Isaiah 3:17
Therefore the Lord will bring sores on the heads of the women of Zion; the LORD will make their scalps bald."
 

Isaiah 3:24
Instead of fragrance there will be a stench; instead of a sash, a rope; instead of well-dressed hair, baldness; instead of fine clothing, sackcloth; instead of beauty, branding.
 

Micah 1:16
Shave your heads in mourning for the children in whom you delight; make yourselves as bald as the vulture, for they will go from you into exile.
 

Soon as new generations and practices evolved this was soon abolished and made clear in the bible too:

Proverbs 20:29
The glory of young men is their strength, gray hair the splendor of the old.
Proverbs 20:28-30 (in Context) Proverbs 20 (Whole Chapter)

1 Corinthians 11:15
but that if a woman has long hair, it is her glory? For long hair is given to her as a covering.
 

The references you have given earlier are from Cor 11 5-10 and then Cor 11 3-5 how could you ever miss Cor 11: 15 which proceeds towards understanding to making the Corinths build  a successful church not by just terminology but by the success of Grace God has shown us.  Just observe for yourself, are women allowed to pray and prophesise in all Brethren Assemblies, the answer is no, does wisdom come from knowledge or does knowledge come from wisdom, do you feel the Grace of God only when your head is covered in a veil, does God take away your Grace when your head is not covered.  Our God is too big, too strong, the way you cover your head under grace, pleases him, not the quality of the veil.  Cover yourself with spiritual gifts and in order  the Spirit of the Lord ,the Spirit of the Wisdom, the Spirit of the Understanding,  the Spirit of the Counsel,  the Spirit of the Might, the Spirit of the Knowledge, the Spirit of the fear of the Lord, In this world we are used to doing things in the reverse manner, so lets stick to the rules you take one step closer to the spirit of the Lord, the rest will surely follow, but when you start with the last step the big leap that you take may make you fall.  Be strong in Christ girl, we've got a long way to go, go in peace to love and serve the Lord, this will please both God and man.

 

 

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Reply by : sunilajoseph@aol.com   View Profile   Since : 13 Feb 2010 2:06:08 AM Close

Thank you 'gospelgypsies'. 

 I knew the verse 1 corinthians 11:15.  I had no explanation for that.  Because I don't know why the author wrote it..  Thank you for your explanation.  I  still don't understand that verse correctly.  I am not fully satisfied with your explanation. 

For wisdom and knowledge, I will say that the Bible says, " Fear of the Lord is the begining of wisdom".

 

 

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Reply by : sku   View Profile   Since : 2 Jul 2012 6:30:54 PM Close

 Head-Covering for Women

What does the Bible teach about head-covering for women in the church meetings?This has become a controversial subject in churches in Western countries and among Westernized Christians in India.

It would probably be true to say that 99% of sisters who cover their heads when praying and prophesying do not know why they do so; and 99% of brothers who keep their heads uncovered when praying and prophesying do not know why they do so.

We begin this study with the conviction that the entire message of the Bible is the Word of God without any error.

There are two fundamental truths that we must bear in mind as we seek to understand God's Word for us today.

1.      On the day of Pentecost (Acts 2), God abolished the old covenant and began to deal with man thereafter under the terms of the new covenant (Heb.8).

2.      There are historical and teaching sections in the New Testament. We must find the basis for new covenant doctrines only in the teaching sections. The historical sections merely tell us what the apostles and early Christians did. Many false teachings have developed from doctrines based only on the Acts of the Apostles - two examples being: (i) all believers must speak in tongues (based on Acts 2:4); and (ii) all believers must share a common purse (based on Acts 2:44).

Jesus told His disciples just before He went to the cross, "I have many more things to say to you, but you cannot bear (understand) them now. But when the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth" (Jn.16:12,13).Jesus wanted to teach His disciples many more truths than He did while He was on earth. But they would not have been able to understand them until the Holy Spirit came to dwell within them and renewed their minds and gave them revelation. Some of these truths are what we find written in the New Testament epistles. So the epistles also contain commands from the Lord Jesus . but given through His apostles.

If we reject any command in any of the New Testament epistles, saying it was only for the time and place when it was written and not for us today, then in order to be consistent, we must give equal freedom to other people to reject other commands in the epistles and in the teachings of Jesus as also being only for that time and not for us today. For example, we must, in that case, give freedom to people to teach that forbidding homosexual behavior and same-sex marriages and divorces and premarital sexual intercourse, etc., were only for the first century and not for us today. Otherwise we will be inconsistent.

It is inconsistent, therefore, to say that every command in the New Testament is relevant for us today, and then to reject just this one command to women to cover their heads when they pray or prophesy (1 Cor.11:1-16).

(Note: We must distinguish between commands given by God and mere greetings given by the apostles. For example, the apostles give greetings and good wishes such as these in their letters: "Greet one another with a holy kiss" (Rom16:16) and "I pray that in all respects you may prosper and be in good health, just as your soul prospers" (3 John 2). These were obviously mere greetings and good wishes . and not commands or promises given by God . for there is no Divine principle taught in those verses, as is the case with head-covering, water-baptism and breaking of bread(Rom.6; 1Cor.11)).

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Reply by : sku   View Profile   Since : 2 Jul 2012 6:38:51 PM Close

 Meaning of head-covering

There are at least three reasons given in the New Testament why a woman should cover her head when she prays or prophesies in the meetings of the church:

First: The Bible says, "A man should NOT cover his head." . and the reason given is: ". because he is the image and glory of God". In contrast, we are told, "but the woman is the glory of man" (1 Cor.11:7). The glory of man must be covered in the church . and since woman is the glory of man, she testifies to this fact by covering her head. This is the plain and simple meaning of this verse.

Second: The Bible says, "A woman's long hair is her glory" (1 Cor.11:15). The glory of the woman also must be covered in the church, just like the glory of man. And so she must cover her head which has the glory of her long hair. Almost all women are conscious that their long hair is a major part of what makes them look attractive . and that is why even among those women who do put a covering on their heads, most of them cover only a part of their hair!! If a woman does not want to cover her head, then the only alternative that the New Testament offers is to remove that glory, by shaving her head completely: "If a woman does not cover her head, let her also have her hair cut off; but if it is disgraceful for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, let her cover her head" (1 Cor.11:6).

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Reply by : sku   View Profile   Since : 2 Jul 2012 6:39:44 PM Close

 Third: TheBible says: "Man was not created for the woman's sake, but woman for the man's sake. Therefore the woman ought to have a symbol of authority on her head, because of the angels" (1 Cor.11:10). The head-covering symbolizes the fact that a woman accepts her God-appointed role as having been created "for man's sake" as his helper and therefore her willingness to be submissive to male authority - whether as a wife to her husband, or as a daughter to her father, or as a sister in the church to the church-elders. It is significant that the disappearance of the head-covering from women in Western churches (on a large scale) coincided with the time that the movement for "Women's Liberation" (a phrase used in a book in 1949) began to spread in Western countries . about 60 years ago. The "angels" mentioned in this verse could refer either to the fallen angels or to the angels in heaven. So it could either be a reminder to women to bear in mind that the fallen angels fell because they were not submissive to authority. Or it could mean "A woman should wear a covering on her head as a sign that she is under man's authority - a fact for all the angels (in heaven) to notice and rejoice in" (as The Living Bible paraphrases that verse).

1 Corinthians 11:16 says that every church that is a church of God, will insist on this head covering for women when they pray or prophesy. The Holy Spirit recognized that 20 centuries later this would become a controversial issue; and so He made Paul to state (in this same verse) that if anyone was going to be argumentative about this matter, he would not argue with such a person. He would just allow that person to continue on in his/her disobedience and inconsistency.

Some Questions

Some may say that the head-covering is only a symbol and therefore not so important. But baptism and the breaking of bread are also only symbols. The first half of 1 Corinthians 11 (v.1-16) explains the meaning of the symbolic head-covering for women. The second half of the same chapter (11:.20-34) explains the meaning of the symbolic breaking of bread. In the same way, Romans 6 explains the meaning of the symbol of water-baptism. Would we say that the Lord's table and baptism also are unimportant, because they are only symbols? If we insist on baptism and breaking of bread as essential for believers, then we are inconsistent if we say that head-covering for women is not essential.

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Reply by : sku   View Profile   Since : 2 Jul 2012 6:41:49 PM Close

 

Some may say that head-covering for women is mentioned only once in the New Testament. Breaking of bread also is mentioned only once in the epistles. Likewise, the truth that God loves us as much as He loved Jesus is also mentioned only once in the whole Bible (Jn.17:23). But once is enough . to know this glorious truth. If Almighty God has given a command, then even if it is given only once in Scripture, that is sufficient. The importance of a command is determined by the importance of the Person Who gave it.

In ancient Babylon, Daniel stood for a law (Dan.1:8) that had been commanded only once in the Scriptures (about food in Lev.11; and wine in Prov.23:31). In the same way, in the midst of Babylonian Christianity today, we also stand for the commands of God . whether small or big, whether mentioned once or many times.

Some say that since we are commanded to pray at all times (Lk.18:1; 1 Thess.5:17), therefore a woman should cover her head all 24 hours of the day. Scripture must always be read in its context, if we are to understand it aright. The entire section (1 Cor.11:1-34) is dealing with the meetings of the church (Verses 16 and 18 make that clear). So it is obvious that the Holy Spirit was referring to church meetings when He gave this command. If we add to that, and insist that women should cover their heads at all times, then we will be adding to the Scriptures.

And further: If those who preach a 24-hour head covering are consistent, they must also teach that men (who should also be praying at all times) should never cover their heads at any time - and therefore should never wear a cap or a hat, at any time . whether it be hot, raining, or snowing. Such teachers must also then teach that women should keep their heads covered even when sleeping or showering/bathing (=24 hours). But they do not preach that . proving that they are inconsistent in their teaching. We can safely ignore such inconsistent teachers.

 

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Reply by : sku   View Profile   Since : 2 Jul 2012 6:43:04 PM Close

I have also observed that many sisters who practice a 24-hour head covering do not cover their entire heads. They cover only the back portion of their heads or just the small part of their hair that is tied up in a bun at the back of their heads . so that the glory of their hair is still visible. A small piece of cloth at the back of the head however is only an excuse for a head-covering . and not a head-covering at all, because the head and the glory of the hair are still not covered. Such "namesake head-coverings" are worn by legalists only to ease their conscience and to appear "holy" before others. But their teachers do not object to this, because they themselves are inconsistent in their teaching.

Some say that the hair itself is called the head-covering for women in 1 Cor.11:15. If one has understood the Divine principle taught in the first 14 verses of this chapter, then this verse will not cancel out the need for a woman with long hair to still cover her head with a covering. Paul could not possibly have taken 15 verses merely to teach that a woman should have long hair! That could have been stated in just one sentence! What does not come out in the English translation of the Bible is the fact that in the original Greek language (in which Paul wrote his letters), the Holy Spirit prompted him to use a different Greek word for "covering" in verse 15 than the one He used in verse 6. The Greek word used in verse 6 is katakalupto; whereas the word used in verse 15 is peribolaion (which is translated as "mantle" in Heb. 1:12). This makes it crystal clear that the mantle of hair referred to in verse 15 is notthe head-covering referred to in verse 6 or in the rest of the chapter. Another proof of this is: If hair is the "head-covering" being referred to in this section, then every man who prays or prophesies would have to have his head completely shaved, if he is to obey this Scripture that tells him not to have his head covered!! The clear teaching of the Holy Spirit in this chapter is that the "mantle of hair" that nature has given a woman as her glory must be covered with a covering, when she is praying or prophesying.

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Reply by : sku   View Profile   Since : 2 Jul 2012 6:44:16 PM Close

Finally, we must bear in mind that:

·           - If we ignore any command of God in Scripture (however small) we will suffer some eternal loss (Rev.22:19).

·           - Those who cancel (or teach against) the smallest command of Scripture will be called "the least in the kingdom of heaven" (as Jesus said in Matt.5:19).

·           - The truths of Scripture are hidden from the clever and the intelligent and revealed only to the humble ("babes" -Matt.11:25 with Matt.18:4). The teaching of 1 Cor.11:1-16 will be simple and clear to the humble, childlike person. But one who depends on his human cleverness and intelligence will argue against the plain meaning of these verses.

·           - God tests our honesty in the way in which we deal with such verses of Scripture. He does not see whether weunderstand everything in His Word, but He does see if we are honest in dealing with His Word. The Lord says, "To this one I will look, to him who is humble and contrite of spirit, and who trembles at My word" (Isa.66:2).

If a sister is still in doubt about what this passage of Scripture teaches, let her consider this: Isn't it better for her to do more rather than less - and especially so, when there is no inconvenience or cost involved. What will she loseby covering her head when she prays and prophesies? Nothing. But think of what she will gain by covering her head, if she discovers at the judgment-seat of Christ that this was indeed God's command? She will have the joy of having pleased her Lord on earth, in spite what other Christians taught and practised. So, every woman, if she is wise, will cover her head with a covering, when she prays and prophesies.

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Reply by : sku   View Profile   Since : 2 Jul 2012 6:44:45 PM Close

 And in conclusion, as to the practice in our churches: We do not force any sister to cover her head (against her wish/conviction) in our meetings . because if she does this under compulsion, it will be a dead work; and God wants only cheerful givers of obedience (2 Cor.9:7). We will not judge such a sister either. We will graciously assume that she does not have light on this subject. But at the same time, if she does not cover her head, we will not permit her to publicly pray or prophesy in our churches . because we understand this to be the command of God . as explained in this article. We also believe that this is how it is practiced "in all the churches of God" (1Cor.11:16). We do not judge other churches that do things differently from us, in this or in any other area. But we fear God and desire to obey Him fully, even if some sisters (or their husbands) are offended by our stand on this matter and as a result, leave our churches.

"If anyone is truly determined to do God's will, he/she will definitely know whether this teaching is from God" (Jn.7:17).

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