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# 00065 :  IVF / Surrogate mother
We come across so many sisters who are unable to concieve due to various reasons, Medical/ Physical etc and in such cases, is it acceptable to have IVF / a surrogate mother ?
Post by : jaytee  View Profile    since : 20 Dec 2006


Reply by : lemuelraj   View Profile   Since : 24 Dec 2006 9:57:06 AM Close
This is my understanding on this matter:

1. The biological parents of a child must be always husband and wife, married to each other before the conception of the child.

2. The conception should always take place in the womb of the biological mother.

3. A woman cannot conceive in her womb a child of a man other than her wedded husband, even if such conception were to be thru IVF or any other method where there is no physical union.

I think this is God's order. In the OT, when couples had no children, there are cases where the husband married another woman and had child thru her. In such a case, the man and woman there were husband and wife RECOGNIZED by God. God permitted multiple wives in the OT. So, even in case of Hagar, though God allowed Sarah to send her away, nevertheless recognized Ishmael as a proper LEGAL child of Abraham, though not a PROMISED child.

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Reply by : lemuelraj   View Profile   Since : 24 Dec 2006 10:08:55 AM Close
I just forgot to add that in the NT, a believer is NOT permitted to have more than one wife, nor a believing woman permitted to have more than one husband.

Children are the heritage of the Lord, and as such His gifts given to us. It is perfectly alright for couples who have no children to desire children, and pray God that He may give them children. However, we must recognize that in His sovereign purposes, some times God choses not to give. In such cases, Christian couples should discern why God has left them childless, and then use such state of theirs to the glory of God.

In Christ Jesus
Moses LemuelRaj

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Reply by : elsie   View Profile   Since : 25 Dec 2006 3:12:01 PM Close
Dear sisters, Barrenness is seen in women in the Bible from the begining. Conceptions and children are God's plan. once you are married it is God's gift and plan to have children But some women are not conceived,and for them it is so sad and to have desires to have children is normal and understandable.It is better to ask the Lord to give children if it is His will or ask the Lord to reveal His plan and wait for the answer. I know women who conceive after 14, 15 years. I met people who had no children are happy and consider that having no children is god's will.To go against the will of God is not good. So my sincere advice to those who have no children is to wait patiently for the answer of your prayers. Nothing is too hard for our Father in heaven. If it is His will He will open your womb otherwise consider this as His will.May God Bless.
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Reply by : jpdobcofjc   View Profile   Since : 28 Dec 2006 11:29:12 PM Close
No one seemed to really comment on IVF (in vitro fertilization) where in many cases a wife's own eggs & her husband's own sperm are fertilized & then later the zygotes are implanted into a woman's uterus--comments on this procedure?
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Reply by : anne1   View Profile   Since : 29 Dec 2006 6:43:39 PM Close
My Story:

We personally had conceiving problems & considered this treatment after a string of lost pregnancies. Took a medication widely used in IVF treatments. The side effects to this medication are absolutely horrible. The doctor didn't think that our prognosis was good. So IVF was suggested.

I took stock of the situation. Should I really go through this treatment plan? If I chose IVF procedure, there were more side effects that come along with it, ovarian cancer being the biggest threat. I felt if we went thru IVF, we would play God. If God wanted us to have a child, does He really need our help? Or are there reasons why He didn't give us a child (then)?

Finally we decided against this treatment and resigned to the reality what doctor stated Ė that I would be unable to conceive. Exactly a year after we stopped the treatment, I conceived without any medical help. It was Godís time and His will for us then. Doctors were skeptical. It was a very difficult pregnancy but our son was born, amazingly healthy.

Today he is a testament of God's faithfulness in our lives. I share my testimony to encourage those who are going & will go thru similar situations. If God will's for you is to have a child, He will give no matter what science says. He doesn't need our help.

In the case of IVF, conception occurs outside the womb in a dish. Does God need any unnatural environment for conception to occur? He is faithful to give any couple a child or more if that is in His perfect will for them. That is the lesson that we learned thru our experience. Just have faith in Him and believe God does all things for our good. I hope our testimony bless your hearts.

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Reply by : username   View Profile   Since : 29 Jan 2007 7:52:24 AM Close
After reading the above posts, I have this doubt - Is "adoption" an option for a believer?
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Reply by : lemuelraj   View Profile   Since : 30 Jan 2007 8:31:24 AM Close
And he BROUGHT UP Hadassah, that is, Esther, his uncle's daughter: for she had neither father nor mother, and the maid was fair and beautiful; whom Mordecai, when her father and mother were dead, TOOK FOR HIS OWN DAUGHTER. (Esther 2:7).

So we have here the case of Esther who was taken as his daughter and brought up by Mordecai.

Having predestinated us unto the ADOPTION OF CHILDREN by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, (Eph 1:5).

In the verse above, we have the example of God Himself taking us as ADOPTED children. So I think it is ok. I see no objection for this in the Scriptures.

In Christ Jesus,
Moses LemuelRaj

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Reply by : username   View Profile   Since : 31 Jan 2007 2:20:18 AM Close
Thank you for your thoughts, Bro Moses.
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Reply by : babugeorge01   View Profile   Since : 8 Feb 2007 7:22:06 AM Close
Hi Moses:

A mild off-track ...

I see your point that we are ADOPTED children of God. But the Scripture also says we are BEGOTTEN of God.

Of his own will begat he us... James
Blessed be God... who hath begotten us... 1 Peter

How do we reconcile these two... Adopted children or Begotten children?

Babu

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Reply by : lemuelraj   View Profile   Since : 8 Feb 2007 7:57:33 AM Close
Dear Babu,

The begetting is in relation with the new birth (James 1:18; 1 John 3:9; John 1:13, etc).

The adoption is about us being heirs of God through Christ (Gal 4:7). "And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together" (Romans 8:17).

That is how I understand. Isaac and Jacob were HEIRS of the same promise God had made with Abraham (Heb 11:9). All children are GENERALLY heirs, but not ALWAYS. For example, Esau was NOT. He was begotten of Isaac, but not an HEIR of Isaac, atleast in the promises that God gave him. So we have double benefit as the children of God, both begotten, and adopted.

In Christ Jesus,
Moses LemuelRaj

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Reply by : samm   View Profile   Since : 28 Mar 2007 11:16:27 PM Close
I could not understand how lemuelraj could say that God permitted multiple wives in the OT. The OT men if they had multiple wives, it was because of their weakness.God from the begenning was for monogamy not polygamy, Genesis 2:24. We can say that God tolerated but not permitted polygamy.Can he show any OT verse to prove his statement
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Reply by : lemuelraj   View Profile   Since : 29 Mar 2007 5:37:09 AM Close
Here you go...

And I gave thee thy master's house, and thy master's wives into thy bosom, and gave thee the house of Israel and of Judah; and if that had been too little, I would moreover have given unto thee such and such things. (2Sam 12:8).

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Reply by : lemuelraj   View Profile   Since : 29 Mar 2007 5:41:55 AM Close
<<God from the begenning was for monogamy not polygamy, Genesis 2:24>>

You are right. And I agree. However, God permitted polygamy in the OT. In Gen 20:3-7, the Lord acknowledged the INTEGRITY OF HEART that Abimelech had. The Lord's objection was that he took ANOTHER MAN'S WIFE, and not that he took ANOTHER wife.

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Reply by : lemuelraj   View Profile   Since : 29 Mar 2007 5:42:33 AM Close
PS: No Christian is permitted to marry more than one woman. That is the NT teaching.
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Reply by : samm   View Profile   Since : 9 Apr 2007 4:04:04 PM Close
Dear Lemuelraj

No verse from the Bible should be quoted out of context, especially while making a doctrinal statement. God told the Israelites that if they choose to have a king, he will take their property, sons and daughters. So God advised them not to ask for a king but let God alone be their King. But they still chose to have a human being with all of his inherent weakness and sin to be their king. So God allowed the consequences of their decision (1 Samuel 8:10-22) to happen. This is what we see in the verses quoted by you. Godís standards are the same both in the OT and NT. He never allowed any man to have more than one wife.
For argument sake if we consider your stand to be correct, then we have to accept what the Muslims have to say about the OT heroes.

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Reply by : samv   View Profile   Since : 9 Apr 2007 6:20:09 PM Close
Br. lemuelraj: God has in fact let Abraham go through all these problems because he didn't have patience. Abraham listened to Sarah. He didn't wait for God's time. God's standards donot allow men to have many wives. All who had many wives, in old testment times, had to go through all sort of troubles because they were not living according to the standard what God expected out of them.

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