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# 08233 :  Hebrews 1 & 2

Dear readers,

Refer Hebrews 1 & 2 and comment whether it is written to the Jews or to the Hebrew believers?

Mathew

Post by : mathewgeorge  View Profile    since : 24 Sep 2016


Reply by : kristianjude   View Profile   Since : 26 Sep 2016 7:51:46 AM Close

Dear Mr. Mathew George,

First four verses of chapter two of the epistle presents an admonition to the readers. The first verse begins saying “Therefore we ought to give…” Who these persons are as denoted by the word ‘we’ in the verses is the question raised here. I have to say that these persons are the believers not just because the author as a believer has included himself with the readers, but there is more clear evidence in the first verse of chapter 3. The verse reads “Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus”. The persons as we read in verse 1 of chapter 2 are very much the ‘holy brethern’ we read in 3:1. The author called the persons not just ‘brethren’ but ‘holy’ brethren. Holiness can be attributed only to a person who is a born again. Further we read that they are partakers of the heavenly calling. This statement affirms without a question that the persons addressed to by the author are the Hebrew believers.

Gospel books have been written for the general reading of all the persons on the earth that they may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing they would have life through His name (John 20:31). But epistles have been exclusively written only for the believers for their edification and with admonitions that they have to stand fast in their faith who have been granted eternal life. (1 John 5:13).

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Reply by : paizanjoe   View Profile   Since : 27 Sep 2016 12:08:23 AM Close

Hello Mathew,

2 Timothy 3: 16-17

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

The general consensus and understanding regarding Hebrews is that it was written to the existing Jewish believers and Jews who were seeking the truth during the Roman period of persecution. 

It is applicable even today. But now to all believers alike on a broader persepctive about the eternal grace of God.

Regards,

Joe

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Reply by : mathewgeorge   View Profile   Since : 27 Sep 2016 2:30:30 PM Close

Thanks KJ and Joe for your comments.

This is not a doctrinal subject and as Joe mentioned it is a "general consensus and understanding" that it is written to "the existing Jewish believers and Jews"

What I considered was the zeal of Paul (if he wrote this epistle) towards his fellow Jews that all of them become christians.

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Reply by : kristianjude   View Profile   Since : 28 Sep 2016 10:43:36 AM Close

Dear Mr. Mathew George,

You have asked in your opening thread to refer to chapters 1 & 2 of the Hebrews. Please let me know what the significance of these chapters is to arrive at a ‘general consensus and understanding’ you mentioned.

Hoping ‘paizanjoe’ would wait for some time.

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Reply by : mathewgeorge   View Profile   Since : 29 Sep 2016 9:28:05 AM Close

I quoted from what Joe posted on 27 Sep 2016.

Quote:

The general consensus and understanding regarding Hebrews is that it was written to the existing Jewish believers and Jews who were seeking the truth during the Roman period of persecution.

Unquote 

 

 

 

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Reply by : kristianjude   View Profile   Since : 30 Sep 2016 11:19:12 AM Close

Dear Mr. Matthew George,

You are in agreement with the meaning of the quote you have cited. As you are aware of what it says and as the person opened the thread, I need certain clarifications from you (you only). There are two parts in the quoted statement; one is, ‘it (Hebrews epistle) was written to the existing Jewish believers’. I have no question on this part statement. And the second is, ‘…and Jews who were seeking the truth during the Roman period of persecution’. For you, it seems there is some clue in the chapters 1 & 2 for this second statement (since you have asked to refer to these chapters in your initial thread). Persecution is for the believing Jews who professed their faith openly. Then, who were those Jews seeking the truth during the time of persecution, believers or non believers? If non believers, where do you find in the two chapters that there were seekers of truth among the Jews?

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Reply by : mathewgeorge   View Profile   Since : 30 Sep 2016 6:06:57 PM Close

Dear KJ,

I quoted Joe but not the full sentence. It ended at "Jews". Please read what I posted on 27th.

I tried to read very closely the usages such as we, us, brethren etc. by the writer, and if it is paul, I thought some part of the epistle is meant for "his Jewish brethren" (against the "general consensus").

This I wanted to study and not to teach.

Mathew

 

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Reply by : kristianjude   View Profile   Since : 1 Oct 2016 3:33:33 AM Close

Dear Mr. Mathew George,

Thanks for the response. I won't place any post here addressing you personally and won't ask anymore questions.

 

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Reply by : mathewgeorge   View Profile   Since : 2 Oct 2016 6:14:01 PM Close

Dear readers,

As much as the writer is uncertain or rather unnamed in this epistle, there is a certain degree of uncertainty in some places as regards the purported readers also. I prefer to assume that Paul is the writer of Hebrews considering his scholarship as far as the Law and the Jewish customs or culture is concerned and the fervour with which he defended the Law and later the Christian faith following his conversion. Or by someone else with that level of understanding and passion; but such an apostle or writer doesn't seem to be presented in the NT. If it is Paul, I again has a presumption that it was left blank deliberately as the epistle would receive a cold response or acceptance by the Jewish readers as they were at odds with him.

While verse 1 of chapter 3 seems to be undoubtedly addressed to the Jewish believers, chapter 2 verses 2- 4 doesn't seem to be addressed to the believers. I would differ on the view that only the gospels are intended for the unsaved and that the epistles are only meant for the believers. The gospel and the way of salvation is very much presented in the Acts and the Epistles too. Also in the propagation of the gospel the whole NT and many a times the Whole Bible is handed out for the unbelievers to read.

(My apologies if KJ is offended in any manner).

Mathew

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Reply by : kristianjude   View Profile   Since : 3 Oct 2016 6:41:42 AM Close

Dear Mr. Mathew George,

There is absolutely nothing for you to apologise.  In fact, my statement in my last post means that I do not want to disturb you anymore for your general consensus and understanding of to whom the epistle was written.

However, I will present my post with further explanation later for the general reading.

Thanks.

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Reply by : paizanjoe   View Profile   Since : 4 Oct 2016 4:26:43 AM Close

Hi Mathew,

Even though the writing style and knowledge is very similiar to Apostle Paul. There is of course, a doubt if it was him. Apostle Paul in places has referred to Timothy as His son in same faith. Yes of course, there are also areas where  he referenced him as a brother as well. But the last portion of Hebrews where Timothy being released from jail, maybe an indicator that this was written well after Paul's time.

Anyway, these are all nominal things. Hebrews is a beautful book which speaks a great deal of the priesthood and grace of our marvelous Saviour.

Regards,

Joe

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