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# 09380 :  Peter is anti Calvinist

Apostle Peter denies calvinist predestination. Then Peter opened his mouth and said: “In truth I perceive that God shows no partiality. But in every nation whoever fears Him and works righteousness is accepted by Him" - Acts 10:34, 35

 

 

Post by : kristianjude  View Profile    since : 12 Oct 2018


Reply by : George P. Koshy   View Profile   Since : 12 Oct 2018 4:16:43 PM Close

Dear 'kristianjude,' a.k.a. 'kristine',

How can Aostle Petr be anti-Calvinist because he lived before Calvin?

Shalom malekim!!! 

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Reply by : quazi   View Profile   Since : 17 Oct 2018 9:15:46 PM Close

Calvin is a god for several people. So be careful when you talk against him. In the olden time he and his followers killed/persecuted people who stood against his own invented theolagies. He still have large number of followers.

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Reply by : kristianjude   View Profile   Since : 18 Oct 2018 5:16:31 AM Close

quazi


The way of 'killing' a person here is character assassination and I  have suffered a lot.

Apostle Peter lived more than 1500 years before Calvin lived, it is a known fact. But what he said and recorded in the Scripture is a living word forever. When I am taking his words as a subject matter now, I take it as Peter speaks at present and poetic license allows it. I can also justify this with scriptural evidence. Apostle Paul has written (1 Corinthians 10: 9) that some of the Israelites tempted Christ during the time of Exodus when Christ did not exist physically.   If anyone still raises trivial argument on this matter, then it's clear that he is void of understanding the truth.

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Reply by : George P. Koshy   View Profile   Since : 23 Oct 2018 6:33:23 PM Close

Dear ‘kristianjude’, a.k.a. ‘kristine,’

 

Your posting of 18 Oct. 2018 is full of misadventures of human mind tossed around in the vast ocean of ignorance that is rooted in fleshly disregard of the authority of the Holy Spirit. Let me explain:

 

1.      Since you claim a worldly ‘poetical license’ and not the divine scriptural authority, let me ask: What was the subject of discussion of Peter as recorded in Acts 10:34-35?  I hope that you will answer.

2.      What is your justification to say that Apostle Peter’s statement is to be anti-Calvinist? To answer this question, you should know what is meant by ‘Calvinist’ and/or ‘anti-Calvinist.’ In this case, it appears that you are void of that understanding.  Let me help you. It implies that the existence of Calvinists preceded Apostle Peter became ‘anti’ to them.

3.      Your justification using 1 Corinthians 10:9 is interesting. It appears that you hold a view that the spiritual understandings of the ‘shadows’ and ‘types’ in the Old Testament are to be taken as ‘non-shadows’ and ‘anti-types.’ They are ‘shadows’ and ‘types.’ What you have done is commonly done by those who are not believers and is done without the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Your explanation is understandably humorous, because you conveniently overlooked the verses that preceded it, especially verses 5 and 6. If you have read 1 Corinthians 10:9, in its context, then you would have received some understanding about that incident is to be understood and studied as a shadow or type. This you did not do.

4.      After referring to 1 Corinthians 10:9, you implied that Christ has to exist physically for the children of Israel to tempt Him. From where did you get this idea of the need for the physical existence? Let us look in the Old Testament account of it, as given in Exodus 17. Did Jehovah—the LORD—exist ‘physically,’ as you demand, for Moses to name the places Massah and Meribah? The reason given for naming them by Moses was that the children of Israel ‘tempted the LORD’ or ‘tempted Jehovah.’ Moses said about this temptation 1,500 years before Apostle Paul wrote about it and told us that it was a shadow or type. On the first century AD, 1500 years after Moses wrote about the children of Israel, Apostle Paul wrote that the children of Israel tempted the Christ—the Messiah. That is, Christ—the Messiah—was real as being Jehovah (the LORD) at the time of Moses. If you have read Exodus 17 and 1 Corinthians 10 together, before writing what you posted on 18 Oct. 2018, then you would have come to realize about the divinity of Christ being taught by Apostle Paul. This realization requires the help of the Holy Spirit that indwells in a person and not just fleshly explanation from a person.

5.      You quoted Acts 10:34-35 in your initial frame. It was a statement from Peter. You also claimed ‘poetical license’ to change the meaning from the context of that passage by that interpretative style of the world. If you have read what Peter wrote about interpretations—interpretations of the Scriptures are not exercises of ‘poetical license’—you would have realized about the fundamental principle of interpreting scriptural passages. That principle, as Apostle Peter wrote, could be read in 2 Peter 1:20-21. When a person begins to claim ‘poetical license’ to interpret the Scriptures and not the guidance of the Holy Spirit, as explained by the Lord Jesus Christ (John 14:26), then it is the sign that that person is not a believer but pretend to be one and has crept unaware among the believers (Jude 4). Let me plead with you that you must be born from above and the PNEUMA FROM ABOVE—the Holy Spirit—must be “with” you and “in” you (John 14:17) as the air (PNEUMA) of this earth is ‘with’ and ‘in’ a baby that is born from below.

6.      When you quoted Apostle Peter from Acts 10:34-35, did you know what he wrote about the Holy Spirit? In 1 Peter 1:11, he wrote about the Holy Spirit; there he named the Spirit being the “Spirit of Christ” that was in the Old Testament prophets. When Peter wrote that the “Spirit of Christ” was in the Old Testament prophets, he was stating that Christ existed during the Old Testament period? This you have questioned. Why do you want to emphasize the “physical” existence? Being God Christ existed eternally, the Holy Spirit existed eternally, and the Father existed eternally. When you emphasize a ‘physical existence,’ you are emphasizing a temporal existence? Remember, a temporal existence is nothing but temporal. Only a person void of the help of the Holy Spirit will insist on the importance of a temporal existence as opposed to an eternal existence. One should have received the eternal life from the eternal Son with the help of the eternal Holy Spirit to know the eternal Father to know this difference.

7.      Therefore, let me ask, once again: How can Apostle Peter be anti-Calvinist when they lived hundreds and hundreds of years apart and Peter preceded Calvin? This is a simple question to answer.

 

Shalom Malekim!!!

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Reply by : moses2006   View Profile   Since : 7 Nov 2018 10:32:08 PM Close

'kristianjude'

Predestination by the foreknowledge of God is a topic that has rock solid scriptural support. Too many verses to quote on this topic. God's foreknowledge of individuals, who though born under sin, yet as belonging to Him - this is the essence of predestination. In vast majority of cases, God foreknew His future saints as wretched sinners, underserving of His grace, by their merits alone. Both Peter and Paul (Saul) fall into this category - neither had any works of righteousness that would give them some special status before the all knowing God. Yet God was pleased to seperate them and sanctify them for Himself.

Cornelius and very few others like him (e.g. Nathaniel), are possible exceptions. While the vast majority of saints were once wretched sinners, a few like Cornelius had good works that God foreknew and would recognize. But Cornelius with his good works still needed the sacrificial atonement of Christ for his own redemption, just like Paul and Peter needed it. Peter's observation in v34 simply attests two universal truths (1) God does not show partiality (2) God's foreknowledge does not preclude any one who fears Him in any nation from salvation through His Son. Neither of these truths violate the fundamental teaching of predestination or its basis in the foreknowledge of God. God's desire to show mercy to sinners He chose based on His own purpose and will, remains intact.

By the way, I deliberately chose not to mention Calvin - we do not need to - God's word taught predestination 100s years before Calvin ever did. This will be a more fruitful discussion if we do not bring Calvin into it.

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