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# 01421 :  Billy Graham Denies that Jesus is the ONLY way to Heaven
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axxlXy6bLH0&mode=related&search=
Post by : job15  View Profile    since : 14 Oct 2007


Reply by : trds   View Profile   Since : 14 Oct 2007 5:47:36 PM Close
There has been a continuous war against Dr. Billigraham from several quarters especially Presbyterians. Some of them even went on saying that he suffered from Parkinson's disease. The video is not complete. It is truncated suddenly. He did not say Jesus is NOT the only way. The war against him started sevel years ago.
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Reply by : Varghese   View Profile   Since : 14 Oct 2007 7:18:10 PM Close
A short edited conversation can be easily misunderstood. A person's faith must be judged by their Christian life as whole! There are many who oppose Billy Graham’s ministry while not doing even a fraction of what he does. Let us be watchful and discerning before drawing conclusions! The Scriptures exhort us to keep our eyes on the Lord Jesus (Heb 12:2).
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Reply by : lemuelraj   View Profile   Since : 14 Oct 2007 10:32:23 PM Close
Well, I have watched brother Billy say on TV that hell is "separation from God" and not a fiery place. No doubt that brother had been a great instrument of God, and so was Solomon (Proverbs, Song, Ecc). However we know what Solomon did in his later years.

In Christ Jesus,
Moses

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Reply by : wilson609   View Profile   Since : 15 Oct 2007 3:24:12 AM Close
i wonder if there was or is a man without a hiccup born.i think we are too insignificant to sit in judgement of a spiritual giant as Billy Graham, who was an effective tool in the hands of God, in bringing so many into the kingdom of God,including George Verver
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Reply by : mathewgeorge   View Profile   Since : 15 Oct 2007 3:42:17 AM Close

Dear Bro. Moses

Would you please give your opinion or comments about the statement of Billy Graham reading

-hell is "separation from God" and not a fiery place-

yours in Christ Jesus

Mathew

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Reply by : jubindu   View Profile   Since : 15 Oct 2007 4:14:12 AM Close
Dear Br Moses,

I do still believe that Hell is a fiery place not because of the fire or the worms, but only becuase GOD is not there and is a definite and eternal seperation from God.

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Reply by : lemuelraj   View Profile   Since : 15 Oct 2007 10:00:32 AM Close
Brethren, please consider these Scriptures -

Isa 33:14 The sinners in Zion are afraid; fearfulness hath surprised the hypocrites. Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? who among us shall dwell with EVERLASTING BURNINGS?

Mt 18:8 Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into EVERLASTING FIRE.

Mt 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into EVERLASTING FIRE, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Rev 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a LAKE OF FIRE BURNING WITH BRIMSTONE.

Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the LAKE OF FIRE AND BRIMSTONE, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be TORMENTED day and night FOR EVER AND EVER.

Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the LAKE OF FIRE.

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Reply by : kbb   View Profile   Since : 15 Oct 2007 11:44:38 PM Close

The essence of dispensational system is the testing of man to obedience in different ways in different dispensations for attaining salvation. If this is true, Jesus is the way for salvation during a limited period of time in human history; just one dispensation – the current one. In fact the present dispensation was an unknown one – mystery dispensation - and God had fitted it into human history by creating a gap between the 69th and 70th weeks of Daniel.

On the above lines, if someone comes up with a system where even in the same dispensation salvation is made available under different schemes – a kind of overlapped or mixed or an intersection of multiple dispensations – wherein we have many ways of salvation and among which Jesus is one of the ways.

It is almost an accepted idea that there are “Multiple ways for salvation in different dispensations”; the issue to be tackled is about: “Multiple ways for salvation in the same dispensation”. Both could be right or heretical.

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Reply by : johnmiller   View Profile   Since : 16 Oct 2007 3:52:01 PM Close
Dear friends and brethren,

I have heard Dr Billy Graham in the flesh, on radio and television. He teaches plainly that to receive Christ as Saviour is the one and only way to salvation. I have heard him plainly speaking about hell, and I have also heard him speaking about eternal separation from God. I do not see any contradiction of the truth in this.

I have difficulty in understanding what "kbb" is trying to say in the previous post to this one.

Your brother in Christ,

John

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Reply by : tomj   View Profile   Since : 16 Oct 2007 4:32:42 PM Close
Dear kbb,

Since you have dealt with the dispensations, though briefly, please make a point to study the following verses and all that implies..

Romans 3:19-20

"Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin."

What does it mean to say, "by the deeds of the law NO FLESH will be justified?" [Caps added for emphasis] No flesh means... not one individual.. never, ever enter heaven by works or keeping law!

I apologize for bringing this point across since the thread is dealing with a different subject.

Regards,

Tom J

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Reply by : kbb   View Profile   Since : 17 Oct 2007 3:42:08 AM Close

Dear brothers – John Miller & Tom J,

Did I make any mistake in capturing the dispensational teaching in my posting, though it was very brief?

Are you saying that salvation is on ONE and THE SAME BASIS in ALL THE DISPENSATIONS?; for all the mankind? that all are saved with the same salvation?

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Reply by : johnmiller   View Profile   Since : 17 Oct 2007 3:50:40 AM Close
Dear "kbb",

I said that I could not understand what you were trying to say.

As far as the basis for salvation is concerned, in my understanding it is the same for every man and every woman starting with Adam and Eve. It is the righteousness of Christ alone.

Your brother in Christ,

John

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Reply by : tomj   View Profile   Since : 17 Oct 2007 4:53:51 AM Close
Dear kbb,

What Bro John Miller wrote is the biblical teaching. Righteousness of Jesus Christ alone will be the only basis of salvation, from Adam to the last person yet to be born in the millennial kingdom that would be in heaven. Romans 3:19-20 is a key verse to study and base those verses in the study of dispensations.

Regards,

Tom J

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Reply by : kbb   View Profile   Since : 17 Oct 2007 8:18:43 AM Close

Dear Brothers,
Thank you brothers, I understand, there is no scriptural basis for dividing human history into dispensations depending or basing on "way of salvation".

Throughout history God saved sinners and all those who have been saved were saved on the "same bais" at all times.

Where do those saved belong to? Is there division among the saved on the basis of the time period in which they lived?

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Reply by : tomj   View Profile   Since : 17 Oct 2007 9:06:42 AM Close
Dear kbb,

“Where do those saved belong to? Is there division among the saved on the basis of the time period in which they lived?”

The one difference I could think of is for those believers who die now, would be ‘absent from the body and present with the Lord’. This certainly is unique for this time.

These dispensations are not ways of salvation, but manners in which God relates to man.

Regards,

Tom J

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Reply by : johnmiller   View Profile   Since : 17 Oct 2007 10:07:19 AM Close
Dear brethren,

"kbb's" last question raises an interesting matter. Will there be a distinction in heaven between the saved from different dispensations? The word "family" is only used once in the New Testament as far as I know (Young's Concordance) and that is in Eph. 3:15. The literal translation of the verse apparently is "every family" although in some renderings it is "the whole family". That is an interesting thought that "the Father of Our Lord Jesus Christ" may have a peculiar relationship with the saints of each dispensation. For us there is the Lord's wonderful statement to Mary of Magdala, "my Father and your Father". Through immeasurable grace we share with Christ in this amazing relationship with His Father.

I have not looked up any bible commentaries on this but it would be something to consider.

Your brother in Christ,

John

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Reply by : wilson609   View Profile   Since : 17 Oct 2007 10:49:35 AM Close
dear brethren,
will the undermentioned passage help us understand the question raised by bro kbb,since i think we have here a classification of people who would inhabit the new jerusalem, "The Glorious Company"
HEBREWS 12:22 TO 24

22 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels, 23 to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect, 24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.

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Reply by : kbb   View Profile   Since : 18 Oct 2007 5:42:05 AM Close
Eph 1:9 And he made known to us the mystery of his will according to his good pleasure, which HE PURPOSED in Christ, 10 to be put into effect when the times will have reached their fulfillment—TO BRING ALL THINGS IN HEAVEN AND ON EARTH TOGETHER UNDER ONE HEAD, EVEN CHRIST.

Eph 1:22 And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, 23 which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way.

Eph 3: 14 For this reason I kneel before the Father, 15 from whom HIS WHOLE FAMILY IN HEAVEN AND ON EARTH DERIVES ITS NAME.

Eph 4: 4 There is one body and one Spirit-- just as you were called to one hope when you were called-- 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.

Jude 1:24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present [you] faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, 25 To the only wise God our Saviour, [be] glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.

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Reply by : trds   View Profile   Since : 18 Oct 2007 7:03:19 AM Close
Wilson and KBB brought a huge subject to discuss in detail under a new thread perhaps. However I would like to write few words about the verses that Wilson quoted.

Hebrews 12th Chapter is a great chapter to meditate upon. Verses 22 to 24 contrast how the law versus grace contrast with each other.

(1) The church is contrasted with Mount Zion
(2) Believers in Christ are contrasted with the congregation at the Mount Zion.
(3) The company of angels are contrasted with the company of angels present when the law was ushered in
(4) The Gospel of the first born in the under the New Testament is contrasted with the first born among Israelites
(5) The Mediator of the New Testament (Jesus) is contrasted with the mediator of the Old Testament (Moses)
(6) The blood sprinkled by Christ is contrasted with the blood Moses sprinkled.
and so on.

May be Tom J could take some interest to write more about it. I may add as I know in future.


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Reply by : tomj   View Profile   Since : 18 Oct 2007 8:29:33 AM Close
Dear ‘trds’,

I still have an unfulfilled promise to you from about 8 months back that I would write on Romans 8:30. In any case, go ahead and start posting on this subject. As time permits I could also join.

Regards,

Tom J

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Reply by : job15   View Profile   Since : 18 Oct 2007 10:41:39 AM Close
Dear Brothers in Christ,

I just wanted to verify the claims made by the author of that post on www.youtube.com.

I was very much disturbed when I viewed this and so decided to share it with the forum members.

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Reply by : wilson609   View Profile   Since : 18 Oct 2007 7:44:09 PM Close
dear job15
i watched the clpping of that interview on cnn and truly speaking tears were rolling down my eyes.Bro Billy Graham clearly appears to have lost memory and physically too this great servant of God looks weak and tired.to put such a man to test his, doctrinal stand on hell, is unfair.i then checked from the collections of a few messages that i have with me specially, the one "HOPE FOR BROKEN THINGS", to cross check.A man who preached all through his life that hell is a terrible place cannot all of a sudden take a U turn on hell.i wish i could clearly post what he preached in that crusade,since i have to rush to office i am unable to do that now
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Reply by : trds   View Profile   Since : 18 Oct 2007 9:06:30 PM Close

Billy Graham denies?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6iAaxOAHCM


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Reply by : kbb   View Profile   Since : 18 Oct 2007 11:26:51 PM Close

I see an awe inspiring Divinely ordained & supervised CONVERGENCE, a bringing together of things in Heaven and on Earth in Jesus Christ, the Lord in fulfillment of the Purposes of Him who does everthing according to the good pleasure of HIS WILL.

PS 31:19 How great is your goodness,
which you have stored up for those who fear you, which you bestow in the sight of men
on those who take refuge in you.

PS 92:5 How great are your works, O LORD,
how profound your thoughts!

PS 92:6 The senseless man does not know,
fools do not understand.

PS 92:8 But you, O LORD, are exalted forever.

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Reply by : samv   View Profile   Since : 22 Jan 2008 8:12:05 PM Close
Billy Graham will not deny Jesus. He preached the Gospel to many who didn't even know if God even existed.
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Reply by : parampil   View Profile   Since : 23 Jan 2008 5:26:20 AM Close
It is sad that we are deliberating an issue which is a non issue as far as brethrens are concerned.We believe that Jesus Christ is the only way and there is a place called hell and descibed in the bible as a place of great suffering.
I have heard many preaching of Billy Graham on the TV and the centre point of his preachings is " accept Jesus Christ as the personal saviour to escape from eternal condemnation"
I believe we are only splitting the hairs and and trying to tarnish a person who I think is around 90 years of age and who in his fruitful years preached to millions of people across the globe.
My humble request to all bretheren is that let us do something fruitful for the Master rather than waistng time on this matter.
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Reply by : johnmiller   View Profile   Since : 23 Jan 2008 5:33:53 AM Close
To all readers,

I have heard Dr Billy Graham in person and watched many and listened to many broadcasts by him. He is crystal clear that there is no other way to enter into salvation, now and eternally, than by acepting Christ.

We should not denigrate the service of one who has been instrumental in leading thousands to Christ.

Your brother in Christ,

John

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Reply by : George P. Koshy   View Profile   Since : 24 Jan 2008 7:04:28 AM Close
Dear Parampil,

We are not 'splitting the hairs,' on this thread. We are maligning a man used by God for His glory, because some one wrote something on the 'youtube.com.' I don't know what was written, because I have not read it.

We forget what is to be known as a man of God's own heart. Saul when he went after David, David (a man of God's own heart) refused to kill him. The reason David gave to his men was that Saul was anointed by God. When a young man, an Amalekite (a modern day 'youtube.com'), came and told him that he killed Saul, David ordered him to be killed for raising his hand to kill God's anointed.

When we read things like this in 'youtube.com' or elsewhere, it is our duty to be silent, at least, if we don't want to defend a man used by God.

Shalom Malekim!!!

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Reply by : johnmiller   View Profile   Since : 24 Jan 2008 1:21:03 PM Close
Dear brethren,

This is wise counsel from our brother Koshy.

Your brother in Christ,

John

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Reply by : sloppyjoe50   View Profile   Since : 11 Mar 2008 4:13:40 PM Close
Dear Brothers,

I just read this post. I liked bro. George Koshy's advice. Let us not malign a man who has been a mountain in the Christian community. The point is that JESUS IS THE WAY, THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE. No man commeth to the Father, except through Jesus. As far as anyone knows, Billy Graham has always uplifted Jesus and His saving Grace. However, keep in mind that Jesus Himself said that in the last days, many will be misled from the faith. Wolves will come in Sheep's clothing. I believe that many can use today's technologies and make a worldwide broadcast that will appear like Billy Graham preaching and saying all sorts of things against what He preached all his life.

Satan is devious. If Satan cannot destroy from outside, he will destroy from inside. Satan tried to destroy the church at its infancy from the outside. When he could not suceed the church got infiltrated from the inside and paganism and christianity merged together to form a sort of sanctified paganism, which is what we find in most churches and teachings today. (Read the complete History of the Early Christian Church and the ascendancy of the Bishop of Rome). What we need today is to look to Jesus as the author and finisher of our faith. Jesus and Jesus alone, that should be our motto.

God's Word is with us, before that may be taken away from us, let us study His word more and more to make it well ingrained within us. "Thy Word Have I Hid in my heart, that I may not sin against thee". A day will come when brother will turn against brother, son against father. What will we do then if we do not stand on the pillar of God's Word and His Holy Spirit to guide us?

I would not listen to false rumours, but even if the rumours be true I have my Jesus to stand with me and His Holy Spirit to guide me. I do not care what others say or think. They are not that save me. Only Jesus can save me and only He will i serve all the days of my life.

Joe

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