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# 01437 :  A Question On Ethics
Dear Readers,

I wish to place certain things that trouble my mind in the past few weeks. I wish to place it as a scenario for you to consider and make inputs.

When I use A, B, and C, they stand for people whose names are known. On the other hand, X, Y, and Z, stands for people whose names are unknown.

My question to you is as follows: Suppose Mr. X contacts Mr. A and provide certain personal information about Mr. B. This is done without any solicitation from Mr. A. This is also done using the pseudonym by Mr. X. Mr. A shows his concern about this way of revealing personal information, especially when the information is very personal. Even the American Civil Liberty’s Union (ACLU), a USA based atheistic organization, will consider that as liable for a lawsuit. As Mr. X insists on continuing this exchange of information, Mr. A terminated it saying that Mr. X must reveal his identity to continue the personal messaging using e-mail.

If this happens on this Forum, is it ethical according to any standard?

I wait to hear from you. I am only asking about the ethics of such personal communications, using pseudonym.

Shalom Malekim!!!

Post by : George P. Koshy  View Profile    since : 23 Oct 2007


Reply by : bochayan   View Profile   Since : 24 Oct 2007 1:51:44 PM Close
Dear GPK,

sounds unethical to me,period.
hopefully Mr A is a mature believer and will nip it in the bud and not encourage mr X.

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Reply by : George P. Koshy   View Profile   Since : 30 Oct 2007 10:36:18 AM Close
Dear Readers,

I wonder why only one person offered his opinion on this?

Let me add another scenorio to my question. Suppose, Mr. X after providing certain personal information about Mr. B to Mr. A, unsolicitedly and privately, comes on the Forum and give advise to others about how they should behave in public. What is your opinion about such an act?

I hope a few people will respond to this scenario. I also hpope that Webmaster will also place his opinion on this.

Shalom Malekim!!!

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Reply by : wilson609   View Profile   Since : 30 Oct 2007 9:46:00 PM Close
undoubtedly its unethical .1 peter 4:15
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Reply by : kbr   View Profile   Since : 31 Oct 2007 5:10:11 AM Close
<<<This Message Forum is to discuss spiritual topics only. Please avoid personal or assembly matters.
Let us use this facility for our spiritual enrichment and for bringing glory to our Lord almighty.>>>

This thread itself is a violation of the rules of the Forum hence unethical.

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Reply by : George P. Koshy   View Profile   Since : 2 May 2008 12:44:11 PM Close
Dear 'spectator,'

This is the thread with the question I referred to in the other thread.

Shalom Malekim!!!

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Reply by : asdpoilkj   View Profile   Since : 3 May 2008 7:57:18 PM Close
I thought of answsering this question to the best of my capacity.

Thirty years ago on this day a gentle man by name Gary Thuerk sent 300 emails from California to known and unknown persons promoting an advertisement. No one knew that this man was going to be the father of spam emails. Today 95% percent of email system is 'spam'. If you are a gentle man and do not want to be hurt by responding please do not open the attachment or respond! Let spam go to trash! If you engage yourself in responding you get hurt. Please stay away from such problems and do not respond or interact with anonymous IDs! If you respond to unknown IDs you may have to take the pains of writing 6 to 10 pages to defend and justify yourself and justify your actions that you were not at fault.

In spite of that you remain hurt. I hope you understood the point.

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Reply by : kbr   View Profile   Since : 4 May 2008 2:20:31 AM Close
The post by asdpoilkj, seems to be logical.

"Please stay away from such problems and do not respond or interact with anonymous IDs! If you respond to unknown IDs you may have to take the pains of writing 6 to 10 pages to defend and justify yourself and justify your actions that you were not at fault."

Those who are against others using anoymous ID may stay away from such people with anonymous ID and avoid responding to their posts, instead of abusing them on half the way for using anonymous ID.

In my opinion, all participants here are using anonymous ID, unless they publish their address, E mail ID, Tel. numbers and ofcourse their local church, since this is a Christian forum to discuss spiritual matters only.

While using a name like Thomas George, Chacko Mathew, George Varghese, etc, the person is not becoming transparent. If anybody wants himself to be transparent he must provide all the relevent details of him, just signing in with a name will not make it good. Otherwise he will not be justified in demanding others to be transparent and abusing them for not being transparent.

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Reply by : beracah   View Profile   Since : 5 May 2008 3:58:45 AM Close
Mr. George P Koshy (GPK) has opened this thread to discuss certain things that trouble his mind in the past few weeks related to ethics.

These are questions addressed to GPK that troubles my mind:

1. Is it ethical to condone LYING?

2. Is it ethical to overlook forgery done by fellow believers?

3. Is it ethical to accuse the innocent who inadvertently happened to come to know of the false representations and misleading statements of a fellow believer?

4. Is it unethical to call a liar a LIAR & and a fraud a FRAUD?

5. Is it ethical to use our influence to protect the wrong doers who are unrepentant; who justify themselves adamantly?

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Reply by : muthu   View Profile   Since : 5 May 2008 8:57:38 AM Close
IF X=Y & Y=Z; then X=Z;
If A!=B & B!=C, then A=or!=C;
The above holds good for any X,Y,Z and A,B,C.
This is mathematics & not statistics.
By statistical theory of probability:
IF X=Y and Y=Z, X (need not)=Z
Because, by probability there is nothing called an absolute value, beacuse X can never be absolutely equal to Y.
Even at absolute zero (temperature) there is 1/2hv energy and absolute zero is unattainable.
So even when there was nothing, there has to be something - that is EVER EXISTENT ETERNAL GOD.
I solicit everybody's opinion on this quantum theory of God.
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Reply by : greencard   View Profile   Since : 8 May 2008 4:21:11 AM Close
muthu,
your post and Koshy's posts above are greek to me, I mean these A B Cs and X Y Z business.
These are to be addressed to children appearing for University tests in India.
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Reply by : beracah   View Profile   Since : 17 Jun 2008 3:57:52 AM Close
Mr. George P Koshy (GPK),

You opened this thread for a discussion on ethics but haven’t responded to issues addressed to you on 5 May 2008 3:58:45 AM.

I have an instance to refer to, (if you don’t remember it, I’ll quote it after hearing from you), where you have actively facilitated a contributor on this Forum to get away after publicly lying – telling a plain LIE. GPK supported the LIAR and argued favoring the LIAR. Instead of telling the LIAR to repent, Mr. Koshy appealed to the Forum & Web Masters and managed to get the thread deleted with the LIE. In my opinion, GPK behaved unethically, in a manner unbecoming of an honorable man, forget about being a Christian, leaving an indelible mark about him in my mind.

This is a quote from the opening posting on this thread: #01437 : A Question On Ethics - George P. Koshy 23 Oct 2007

“If this happens on this Forum, is it ethical according to any standard?”

I repeat your question to you … was it ethical??? Which standard shall I use for assessing your behavior?

I did a thorough inquiry into the matter I am referring to, and gathered documentary evidences of culpable offences classifiable as criminal fraud. When someone LIED about matters related to this, you actively helped the LIAR to cover it up. If you need details of the evidences in my possession, ask for it, I will publish it here, on this Forum.

On an earlier occasion, in view of your unethical behavior described above, I have expressed reservations on your moral sense of right and wrong. If you are a morally upright man, come out openly to explain your behavior. Since you haven’t clarified the matter so far, I still have reservations about your sense of moral right and wrong. Your subsequent behavior also has not contributed to improve your image to be that of an upright believer.

Mr. Koshy, what was your compulsion for covering up the LIE about ICAATS?

I will oblige you by signing off with my name:

P Thomas Varghese.

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Reply by : kumbanadan   View Profile   Since : 17 Jun 2008 5:59:45 AM Close
ICAATS is a fraude. It has no Govt. of India (GOI) recognition as they claim to have? If they have let them publish the document somewhere.
http://icaats.org.in/WhatIsAccreditation.html
Read the discussion thread on ICAATS about GOI recognition->
http://forums.degreeboard.com/showthread.php?t=18230
Scofield of California is accredited by ICAATS.
Funny, it looks US has not enough agencies and look to India
http://www.ananswer.org/school/accreditation.html
Johnson Philip is Chancellor of Scofield school->.
http://ananswer.org/school/faculty.html
ICAATS also belongs to Johnson.

There is an ethical principle that Accrediting agency should not run the schools accredited by them.

So where is the ethics followed?

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Reply by : George P. Koshy   View Profile   Since : 17 Jun 2008 8:49:16 AM Close
Dear P. thomas Varghese,

I did not cover-up any lie, as you mentioned. If you and others tried to bring something that is not part of a thread and not according to the policy of this Forum, I pointed that out. if you are trying to open a debate against the principles of this Forum to which you agreed to, then I will not be a part of it. That is ethics.

Shalom Malekim!!!

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Reply by : kbr   View Profile   Since : 17 Jun 2008 9:58:54 PM Close
Very good !! then what prompted this gentleman to start this thread against the rules and ethics of this forum?
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Reply by : beracah   View Profile   Since : 17 Jun 2008 11:29:23 PM Close
Mr. George P. Koshy,

You were an active contributor on the deleted thread until the truth, many had been struggling to conceal, was placed on the Forum. Participation till that defining moment was ethical for you; but when the truth was spoken, you became conscious of the technicalities and became “ethical”. Hope you too may have a copy of that entire thread like many others. Revisit it when you feel like.

I am not concerned about the TECHNICAL aspects of the ETHICS you talk about and am not interested to engage in a debate. The decadence in ethical standards of believers is enormously appalling. I am abandoning this discussion here, forever, reminding myself that the Lord desires truth in the inner parts. Psalms 51:6.

PTV

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Reply by : mithun2   View Profile   Since : 18 Jun 2008 7:15:22 AM Close
Philipians 2:3-5 --
Let nothing be done through selfish ambition or conceit, but in lowliness of mind let each esteem others better than himself. 4 Let each of you look out not only for his own interests, but also for the interests of others. 5 Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus
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Reply by : George P. Koshy   View Profile   Since : 18 Jun 2008 9:01:47 AM Close
Dear P. Thomas Varghese,

Follow Matthew 18:15-20.

Shalom Malekim!!!

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Reply by : philip   View Profile   Since : 19 Jun 2008 12:15:24 PM Close
The Christian code of conduct is the Bible and Christians are led by the Holy Spirit through the Word of God to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. They do not need to rely on the definitions of Ethics given by the dictionaries and the wise people of this World. In other words, Christian code of conduct and behavior are far above any ethical standards set by any one. So let us behave on the basis of the Bible and as led by the Holy Spirit. This means that:
i. we do not try to win an argument for the sake of it
ii. we do not try to find fault with a brother for an expression, word or definition which have human cultural undertones, to win an argument
iii. we make use of the opportunity to study the Word and learn from each other by and through the benevolance of brethren at the KBNet and not use it selfishly to win arguments and impress about our competence & pick holes in expressions of brothers
iv. we forgive each other wholeheartedly
v. we do not spend God-given precious time to pick holes in the arguments of brthers who would have written some things in the past in come context so that we can win
vi. we submit to each other in love and learn from each other in utter humility and love
vi. we do not misuse opportunity given to us by the KBNet to learn and grow unto the stature of our Lord Jesus Christ
vii. we need to realize that we are not our enemies or competitors, but Satan is our enemy and we should not allow him to use us to fight on impressions, usages,perceptions and even lack of understanding and knowledge
vii. we need to realize that superiority and wanting to win attitude are not an example set by the Lord
viii. when we express ourselves thourgh this forum or any other public forum, we should deal with each other in love, respect, consideration, submission, forbearance and patience
ix. conceited behavior, especially with unknown and unseen brothers will not be justified by the Lord, no matter how knowledgable we are. x.Knowledge puffs up and commits the sin of pride.
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