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# 00693 :  BODY SOUL&SPIRIT
This is in continuation of Posting of OLD TESTAMENT SAINTS.

(1) Human Being has 3 parts Body Soul & Spirit then where is the position of LIFE?
Is the LIFE other than Body, Soul & Spirit?

(2) Soul is Life or both are separate?

(3) Soul & Spirit going to separate place or not?

(4) What is the difference between an animal and Human being?

(5) Animal has a Soul Or a Spirit? Or both?

Please contribute for our mutual edification and increase in understanding.

Post by : sambudhanoor  View Profile    since : 10 Oct 2005


Reply by : sambudhanoor   View Profile   Since : 10 Oct 2005 1:29:14 AM Close
(1) Human Being has 3 parts Body Soul & Spirit then where is the position of LIFE?
Is the LIFE other than Body, Soul & Spirit?

Human being has 3 parts only, which the scripture states clearly.

1Th 5:23 And may the God of peace Himself sanctify you, and may your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blamelessly at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Heb 4:12 For the Word of God is living and powerful and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing apart of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

Every human being has an eternal life, that means life is immortal and has eternity, it is the part of human being.

For the righteous persons it is eternal bliss and unrighteous persons it is eternal torment.

God created immortal Spirit in human being, by the breath, thus its soul (life) become immortal/iternal.(Gen 2:7, Zec 12:1, Job 27:3, Job 32:8, Ecc 12:7, Heb 12:23).

Jam 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

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Reply by : jean   View Profile   Since : 10 Oct 2005 5:08:43 AM Close
BODY:
The entire physical structure of an organism (especially an animal or human being)..

SOUL:
The immaterial part of a person; the actuating cause of an individual life.

SPIRIT:
The vital principle or animating force within living things.

LIFE:
The course of existence of an individual; the actions and events that occur in living

BODY, SOUL, SPIRIT AS IN THE BIBLE

(There are many verses; but the following are just a few)

BODY:

“…as it were the body of heaven in his clearness”. Exodus 24:10

“…any dead body,…” Leviticus 21:11

Deuteronomy 28:4 “Blessed shall be the fruit of thy body…”

“…and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell”. Matthew 5:29

“…anoint my body to the burying….” Mark 14:8

“…and craved the body of Jesus…” Mark 15:43

SOUL:
“…and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul”. Genesis 2:7

“…are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear…soul and body in hell”. Matthew 10:28

SPIRIT:

“…And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters”. Genesis 1:2

“…And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man…” Genesis 6:3

“…And Jesus, when he was baptized…and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him”. Matthew 3:16

“…Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven…” Matthew 5:3

Acts 19:15 “And the evil spirit answered and said, Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are ye?

LIFE:

“…And God said…that hath life…” Genesis 1:20

“And the LORD God...and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life…” Genesis 2:7

“…take the young child and his mother…they are dead…young child's life”. Matthew 2:20

“…Take no thought for your life…your body…the life…and the body than raiment?” Matthew 6:25

“…He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it”. Matthew 10:39

“Wherefore....everlasting life". Matthew 18:8

The above lines might help in exposition

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Reply by : sambudhanoor   View Profile   Since : 10 Oct 2005 6:44:22 AM Close
Dear Jean,

We are not discussing about Spirit of God, The Holy Spirit.

We are discussing about the spirit of man (human being) as seem in:

1Th 5:23, Heb 4:12, Act 7:59, Luk 8:55, Zec 12:1, Ecc 12:7

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Reply by : jean   View Profile   Since : 10 Oct 2005 7:23:25 PM Close
Dear Sambudhanoor,

I wrote one line definition for each word body, soul, spirit, and life respectively, in my last post.

I am interested to read exposition by you or some one else. I am just trying to help you with your study. I, for one, think, when we say, spirit, we can not isolate, God’s spirit from human being’s spirit.

Let us see the first reference you cited. 1 Thessalonians 5.23, which reads as follows:

“And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ”.

Although I do not know Greek, some readers are uplifted when Greek is quoted, so let me quote Greek. I Thessalonians 5.23 in Greek reads as follows:

“de autos theos eirene hagiazo humas holoteles kai humon holokleros pneuma kai psuche kai soma tereo amemptos en parousia hemon kurios Iesous Christos”.

The word, “whole” (wholly), in this verse shows all the three that is spirit, soul, and body, each in its due place that which constitutes the entirety of man. It is the “spirit" that links man with the higher intelligences of heaven, and is that highest part of man which is receptive of the quickening Holy Spirit. In the unspiritual, the spirit is so sunk under the lower animal soul that such are termed "animal" "sensual," having merely the body of organized matter, and the soul the immaterial animating essence, having not the Spirit.

One verse that you can think of is, “Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption”. 1 Corinthians 15:50

If you have any other idea about ‘Spirit’ please write.

Thank you.

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Reply by : sambudhanoor   View Profile   Since : 11 Oct 2005 1:06:18 AM Close
Quote from:
Baker's Evangelical Dictionary of Biblical Theology

Soul The Old Testament. The Hebrew word so rendered is nepes [v,p,n]. It appears 755 times in the Old Testament. The King James Version uses 42 different English terms to translate it. The two most common renderings are "soul" (428 times) and "life" (117 times). It is the synchronic use of nepes [v,p,n] that determines its meaning rather than the diachronic. Hebrew is inclined to use one and the same word for a variety of functions that are labeled with distinct words in English.

Nepes [v,p,n] in the Old Testament is never the "immortal soul" but simply the life principle or living being. Such is observable in Genesis 1:20, 21, 24, where the qualified (living) nepes [v,p,n] refers to animals and is rendered "living creatures." The same Hebrew term is then applied to the creation of humankind in Genesis 2:7, where dust is vitalized by the breath of God and becomes a "living being." Thus, human being shares soul with the animals. It is the breath of God that makes the lifeless dust a "living being"—person.

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Reply by : lemuelraj   View Profile   Since : 11 Oct 2005 2:37:39 AM Close
Dear Sambudhanoor,

Quote: "EVERY human being has an ETERNAL life, that means life is IMMORTAL and has eternity, it is the part of human being."

Romans 6:23 says, "For the wages of sin is death; but the GIFT of God is ETERNAL LIFE through Jesus Christ our Lord." And you say, "EVERY human being has an ETERNAL life"? How come?

"Life is IMMORTAL"? Read 1 Tim 6:16. "Who only hath IMMORTALITY, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto..." What about the saved people? "For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this MORTAL must put on IMMORTALITY" (1 Cor 15:53). This happens at the Rapture.

The SOUL has eternal EXISTENCE, and is SELF-CONSIOUS beyond death. This is not IMMORTALITY. A soul in hell has no life. The wages of sin is DEATH.

Now read these verses.

"The SOUL that sinneth, it shall DIE" (Ezek 18:20).

"And fear not them which KILL THE BODY, but are not able to KILL THE SOUL: but rather fear him which is able to DESTROY both SOUL and body in HELL" (Mat 10:28).

"But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the SECOND DEATH" (Rev 21:8).

Moses

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Reply by : sambudhanoor   View Profile   Since : 12 Oct 2005 6:45:36 AM Close
Dear Moses

First of all you will have to understand the biblical truth SOUL is LIFE. (Please refer the above Baker's Dictionary reference)

Lev 17:14 For it is the life of all flesh; the blood of it is for the life thereof: therefore I said unto the children of Israel, Ye shall eat the blood of no manner of flesh: forthe life of all flesh is the blood thereof: whosoever eateth it shall be cut off.(KJV)

Lev 17:14 for it is the soul of all flesh. Its blood is its soul. Therefore I said to the children of Israel, You shall not eat the blood of any flesh, for the soul of all flesh is its blood. Whoever eats it shall be cut off.(VW-Edition)

Hebrew word "nepes or nepesh" is translated as soul/life.

GOD is Immortal, (1 Ti 6:16) GOD created immortal spirit in man, thus he become an immortal soul.

In 1 Cor 15:53, it is the immortality of the body is going to happen.

For the Righteous it is Eternal Life, where they spent their eternal life?

With God in Eternity, are we going to spend our eternal life with God or not?

For the Wicked it is Eternal Death, that means their immortal soul(life)/spirit is in torment and after resurrection with the body they will send to hell. Eternal death does not mean that their soul(life)/spirit is perished but it is tormenting.

Believers has eternal/everlasting life.

Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only-begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.

Contd………

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Reply by : sambudhanoor   View Profile   Since : 12 Oct 2005 6:47:17 AM Close
What is the meaning of the following:

Mat 7:14 Because narrow is the gate and constricted is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.

Mat 18:8 And if your hand or your foot causes you to offend, cut them off and throw them from you. It is better for you to enter into life lame or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire.

Mat 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into everlasting life.

Mar 9:43 And if your hand offends you, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life maimed than to have two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched

Joh 20:31 But these are written so that you might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you might have life in His name.


There are different deaths:

(1) Physical death (Heb 9:27)

(2) Spiritual death (Separation from God) (Eph 2:1)

(3) Eternal death (2nd death) (Rev 20:14)

Following commentary is self explanatory.


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Reply by : sambudhanoor   View Profile   Since : 12 Oct 2005 6:48:13 AM Close
Quote From John Gill Commentary:

Lev 17:11 - For the life of the flesh is in the blood,.... The animal life or soul, the life and soul of every creature, and even the animal life and soul of man; agreeably to which our famous Dr. Harvey, who found out the circulation of the blood, says of it, that it is the principal part which first appears in generation; is the genital part, the fountain of life the first that lives, and the last that dies; the primary seat of the soul or life, from whence motion and pulsation take their rise; in which the innate heat is produced the vital spirit is generated and the life consists (i); and therefore it is spread all over the body, and according to the condition that it is in, such is the health and such the diseases of the body; yea, the affections of the mind, such as fear, shame, joy, and anger are discovered by it. Hence Antoninus the emperor, more than once, calls the soul a vapour or exhalation arising out of the blood (k); and the sentiments of various Jewish writers agree herewith: says Aben Ezra, it is a truth, that the soul or life, with which man lives, is in the blood of the heart; so says Jarchi the soul or life depends upon the blood; and Ben Gersom observes, that the blood is the vessel of the soul to carry in it the fundamental heat, and food to the parts of the body; and hence the animal only dies when the blood is removed:

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Reply by : lemuelraj   View Profile   Since : 13 Oct 2005 11:17:38 AM Close
Quote from Sambudhanoor's post on 12 Oct 2005 06:48:13:

"Hence Antoninus the emperor, more than once, calls the soul a vapour or exhalation arising out of the blood (k); and the sentiments of various Jewish writers agree herewith: says Aben Ezra, it is a truth, that the soul or life, with which man lives, is in the blood of the heart."

This is exactly where Sambudhanoor's doctrine of soul (SOUL = LIFE = BLOOD) leads to. Antonious calls soul a VAPOUR arising out of the BLOOD.

I have shown the readers before that when a person dies, the SOUL departs (Gen 35:18). The Lord Jesus Christ died on the cross, and so, His SOUL departed from His body. We read about His SOUL, "his SOUL was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption" (Acts 2:31). That shows the place where His SOUL went. But a good while AFTER He died, "one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out BLOOD AND WATER" (John 19:34). Thus, the much of His BLOOD was shed a good while AFTER His SOUL departed. Now let us ask this question, why was the blood still there, even after the SOUL has departed, if soul is vapour of blood?

Now I will ask the readers to consider the folly the statement, "and hence the animal ONLY dies when the blood is removed" (the last sentence in Sambudhanoor's post on 12 Oct 2005 06:48:13). Mr. John Gill has ignored millions of animals, and MEN that die a NATURAL death, without shedding ONE SINGLE DROP OF BLOOD.

The SOUL is the IMMATERIAL PERSON, whether in the body or out of the body. I have repeatedly quoted Ecc 12:7, where we read that "the SPIRIT shall RETURN UNTO GOD who gave it." But the SOUL's destiny is decided upon whether that SOUL is SAVED or not. We read in the Bible, "he that winneth SOULS is wise" (Prov 11:30). No body is talking here about winning the blood, or its vapour, or life of a person. It is the SOUL that is SAVED. SOUL is the PERSON.

"And thou shalt love the LORD thy God ...WITH ALL THY SOUL" (Deu 6:5). "Bless the LORD, O my SOUL" (Ps 103:1).

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Reply by : sambudhanoor   View Profile   Since : 17 Oct 2005 7:08:30 AM Close
Who can deny the biblical truth?

SOUL is LIF, LIFE is IN THE BLOOD (Gen 9:4, Deu 12:23, Lev 17:11, Lev 17:14)

SOUL(LIFE) is not BLOOD, but IN THE BLOOD.
Lev 17:11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood. And I have given it to you on the altar to make an atonement for your souls. For it is the blood that makes an atonement for the soul. (MKJV)
Gen 9:4 But you shall not eat flesh with its soul, that is, its blood.

Deu 12:23 Only be sure not to eat the blood, for the blood is the soul; you shall not
eat the soul with the flesh.

Lev 17:14 For it is the life of all flesh; the blood of it is for the life thereof: therefore I said unto the children of Israel, Ye shall eat the blood of no manner of flesh: forthe life of all flesh is the blood thereof: whosoever eateth it shall be cut off.(KJV)

Lev 17:14 for it is the soul of all flesh. Its blood is its soul. Therefore I said to the children of Israel, You shall not eat the blood of any flesh, for the soul of all flesh is its blood. Whoever eats it shall be cut off.(VW-Edition)

Hebrew word "nepes or nepesh" is translated as soul/life.

Regeneration is happening in the Spirit, thus the SOUL(LIFE) become redemptive.

Psa 51:10 Create in me a clean heart, O God, and renew a right spirit within me.
Psa 51:11 Cast me not away from Your presence, and take not Your Holy Spirit from me.
Psa 51:12 Restore to me the joy of Your salvation, and uphold me with a willing spirit.

Contd…………

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Reply by : sambudhanoor   View Profile   Since : 17 Oct 2005 7:10:01 AM Close
One should understand that SOUL is mentioned as a person (whole), body, the immaterial part of a person etc. in the bible.

Prov 11:30 is saying about a person (Whole)

Gen 35:18 SOUL departs.

Act 7:59 SPIRIT departs

Luk 8:55 SPIRIT returns

John 19: 34 is correct (before that Spirit Departs) (soul is in the blood not the blood).

Joh 19:30 Then when Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, It is finished! And He bowed His head and gave up the spirit.

Without shedding blood human die, same time by shedding blood also human die.

Who can deny the biblical truth?

The saved one has the promise of ETERNAL LIFE.

There are 2 life:
1. Present temporary life.
2. Future Eternal Life.

2Ti 1:10 But it is now having been manifested by the appearing of our Savior Jesus Christ, who has made death of no effect, bringing life and immortality to light through the gospel;

Joh 17:2 even as You have given Him authority over all flesh so that He should give eternal life to all You have given Him.

Joh 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.

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Reply by : lemuelraj   View Profile   Since : 17 Oct 2005 11:14:37 AM Close
LIFE is in the blood. Amen. No problem at all.

Now watch Sambudhanoor's "biblical truth" versus the the Bibles he quotes in his own posts.

Sam says, "SOUL (LIFE) is not BLOOD" but his "VW-Edition" bible says, "SOUL of all flesh IS its BLOOD" (Lev 17:14). What's going on Sam? Your bible says "SOUL ...IS ITS BLOOD," and you say it is not!

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Reply by : sambudhanoor   View Profile   Since : 20 Oct 2005 4:45:42 AM Close
Moses tried his best to prove that blood is not life or life in not in blood, in his previous postings, now he is saying that my bible tell that blood is life. Shall we need to believe what the bible says?

Bible is God inspired, the owner and author is the Almighty God.

Inspiration is not the version but the words in it; the words of the Bible is transforming the human lives.

We may have different versions for studies and meditation. I am using a Malayalam version, for references only I use English versions.

MKJV/NKJV is the latest version of KJV.

Lev 17:11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood. And I have given it to you on the altar to make an atonement for your souls. For it is the blood that makes an atonement for the soul.

As you are a KJV only please read those versus from the Authorized King James Version:

Lev 17:11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul. (KJV)

Lev 17:14 For it is the life of all flesh; the blood of it is for the life thereof: therefore I said unto the children of Israel, Ye shall eat the blood of no manner of flesh: for the life of all flesh is the blood thereof: whosoever eateth it shall be cut off. (KJV)

Gen 9:4 But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat. (KJV)

Deu 12:23 Only be sure that thou eat not the blood: for the blood is the life; and thou mayest not eat the life with the flesh. (KJV)

Will you be able to believe the above biblical truth or reject it?

You can believe what you believe but biblical truth will not change; this truth is attested by the scientific world also.

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Reply by : sunilajoseph@aol.com   View Profile   Since : 20 Oct 2005 6:53:54 AM Close
SamB,

Moses is agreeing that 'life of every creature is its blood'.Confirming saying Lev 17;14

But in your posting you are saying 'life is not blood'. He is asking what is going on. Because you are saying that bible says 'life is in its blood' and at the same time in your words 'SOUL(LIFE)is not blood'.

You have to find out if 'SOUL'and 'LIFE' is same or not?


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MOSES;

SamB's quote; 'SOUL is LIFE, LIFE is IN THE BLOOD (Gen 9:4, Deu 12:23, Lev 17:11, Lev 17:14)
SOUL(LIFE) is not BLOOD, but IN THE BLOOD'.

He meant was that SOUL is LIFE.
Life is NOT blood. But life is IN THE (IN THE)blood.

He DIDN'T say 'life is NOT (NOT)in the blood.

Thank you.
Hope this helps.

Sunila.

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Reply by : lemuelraj   View Profile   Since : 20 Oct 2005 7:36:39 AM Close
Quote: "Moses tried his best to prove that blood is not life or life in not in blood, in his previous postings, now he is saying that my bible tell that blood is life. Shall we need to believe what the bible says?"

Come on, Sam. I never tried to prove that LIFE (that is L-I-F-E) is NOT in blood. I agree with that. My problem is with your statement concerning SOUL, S-O-U-L. You wrote, "SOUL (LIFE) is not BLOOD, but IN THE BLOOD" Check that out in your posting on 17 Oct 2005 07:08:30. But the VW-Edition says, "SOUL of all flesh IS its BLOOD" (Lev 17:14, VW-Edition).

I have been maintaining from the beginning, that SOUL and LIFE are different. They might have been used synonymously in several occassions, but ESSENTIALLY, the SOUL is something else. It is not JUST life. It is the immaterial person. This is what I say.

Quote:"MKJV/NKJV is the latest version of KJV."

MKJV is NOT NKJV. Jay P Greene is behind MKJV and NKJV was done by Arthur Farstad, et al. Imagine some Dr.WeKnowBetterGreek, Th.D, Ph.D, coming up with a XYZ-KJV, and translating "bill of divorcement" (Gr. biblion apostasiou) as "APOSTATE BIBLE" in Mark 10:4. You think I will care one bit? Never.

Thankyou.

Moses

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Reply by : sambudhanoor   View Profile   Since : 20 Oct 2005 8:41:15 AM Close
SOUL is LIFE, LIFE is IN THE BLOOD

Lev 17:11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul. (KJV)

Lev 17:11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood. And I have given it to you on the altar to make an atonement for your souls. For it is the blood that makes an atonement for the soul. (MKJV)

Lev 17:11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood; and I have given it to you upon the altar to make atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh atonement by reason of the life.(ASV)

Lev 17:11 for the soul of the flesh is in the blood; and I have given it to you upon the altar to make atonement for your souls, for it is the blood that maketh atonement for the soul.(DARBY)


Lev 17:11 For the soul of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it to you upon the altar to make atonement for your souls; for it is the blood that makes atonement for the soul. (VW-Edition)

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Reply by : sambudhanoor   View Profile   Since : 26 Oct 2005 4:55:16 AM Close
(3) Soul & Spirit going to separate place or not?

Answer is No.

Soul(Life)/Spirit is going together to God.

For the righteous to the heavenly paradise and the wicked to torment place.

Without spirit there is no life(Soul)

Jam 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

Psa 146:4 His spirit departs, he returns to the earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.

Job 27:3 as long as my breath is in me, and the spirit of God in my nostrils,

Gen 2:7 And Jehovah God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

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Reply by : lemuelraj   View Profile   Since : 26 Oct 2005 6:48:10 AM Close
If what you wrote above is truem then please tell me whom does Ecc 12:7 refer to? "Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the SPIRIT shall return UNTO GOD who gave it" (Ecc 12:7). Please give a straight answer, whether this verse refers to ALL men, or only SAVED men?
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Reply by : sunilajoseph@aol.com   View Profile   Since : 26 Oct 2005 12:06:46 PM Close
SamB,

Life ends in this world. When we are living, life is in the blood. SOUL is something different. It is in malayalam 'AATHMAAVE' or 'AATHMA'. LIFE meaning 'GEEVYTHAM' or 'GEEVAN'.More apporpriate 'GEEVAN'.

There is a life after death. That is eternal life with God for those who are born-again.

For the sinners and born-again people (all of us) have death- that is the normal death or first death.
But there is a second death for the sinners. It is in REVE 20:14, 21:8 Both verses talks about the same thing.

There is a first resurrection. REVE 20:5,6.

I think now you follow if I am right.

In Christ,
Sunila.

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Reply by : johnmiller   View Profile   Since : 26 Oct 2005 1:00:13 PM Close
Dear Moses,

May I venture a "straight" answer to your question? Solomon, the writer, although the wisest man of his day, was not blessed as you and I have been! We know from the revelation of God in Christ, the exact destiny of every soul, whether saved or unsaved. He did not. As far as he was concerned, each soul, being God's property, returned into the jurisdiction of its divine Owner. Of more than that he could not be certain.

We know, however, that if a man or woman is born once, they will die twice! If, however, we are born twice, we will die only once!

Is that a straight answer?

Your brother in Christ,

John

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Reply by : lemuelraj   View Profile   Since : 26 Oct 2005 2:10:28 PM Close
Dear Bro.John,

I am not sure if you are aware of the background of this discussion. The question was about where SOUL and SPIRIT will go after death. I say they will go to different places in case of an UNBELIEVER. Solomon says the SPIRIT will go to God. But the SOUL of an UNBELIEVER goes to HELL (hades). We cannot say that Solomon did not know where an UNSAVED man would go. Solomon wrote, "Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his SOUL from HELL" (Prov 23:14). So he knows where the SOUL will go, if the man is unsaved. Nevertheless, he writes, "the SPIRIT shall return UNTO GOD who gave it" (Ecc 12:7). Also he writes, "Who knoweth the SPIRIT of man that goeth UPWARD" (Ecc 3:21). And Solomon knows that HELL is BENEATH (Prov 15:24).

Matter of fact, SOUL is different from SPIRIT. When an unbeliever dies now (or even in case of a believer in the OT dispensation), the SOUL went to one place, and SPIRIT went to another. The SOUL is the immaterial PERSON. The SPIRIT (breath)is what makes the soul LIVING (Gen 2:7). Remember what the Lord Jesus said, "And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to KILL THE SOUL: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell" (Mat 10:28).

Sincerely in Christ,

Moses LemuelRaj

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Reply by : jean   View Profile   Since : 26 Oct 2005 7:25:26 PM Close
Dear John,

Quote from your post.

“We know from the revelation of God in Christ, the exact destiny of every soul, whether saved or unsaved. He did not”.

I too had the similar question on the thread, "After death, where?" started by Moses.
Please refer to my posts on that thread posted on 16 Sep 2005 19:13:45, 19 Sep 2005 18:12:4 and Moses post on 20 Sep 2005 09:31:34. For easy reference I am posting my observation again here.
“I think, Ecclesiastes 3:21 speaks about the most deplorable thinking condition of King Solomon, who though believed in God, at the end of his life led wretched life. He was guessing what happens to the spirit of the righteous.
You may want to expand a bit more on this observation.

Thank you.

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Reply by : lemuelraj   View Profile   Since : 27 Oct 2005 12:42:58 AM Close
Jean,

If Solomon's words are not to be trusted (esp in Ecc 12), then please hear from Elihu.

"If he set his heart upon man, if he GATHER UNTO HIMSELF his SPIRIT and his breath" (Job 34:14).

Did God rebuke Elihu? Read Job 42:7-9.

Moses

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Reply by : jean   View Profile   Since : 27 Oct 2005 6:26:22 AM Close
The depth of the knowledge that I need to have on this subject prevents me to contradict any body’s point of view without prejudice to my own observation that Solomon lived an abominable life in his end days and did not know where his soul and spirit would go as in Ecclesiastes 3:21 “Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?” and his own words as in Ecclesiastes 12:7 “Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it”, which constrain us to believe that he was a confused person, and even though he knew Job who lived long before he did and also that job was very confident in his words as in Job 34:14 “If he set his heart upon man, if he gather unto himself his spirit and his breath”; he was not sure in the beginning and in the later part of Ecclesiastes he appeared to be confident.

I can lean toward the belief that Spirit, whether of man or beast returns to God, Soul is the immaterial part of a person; the actuating cause of an individual life, which ends when death occurs, but the saved soul will have eternal life, as promised by Jesus Christ.

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Reply by : sambudhanoor   View Profile   Since : 31 Oct 2005 12:15:23 AM Close
Dear Moses

Ecc 12:7 then the dust shall return to the earth as it was, and the spirit shall return to God who gave it.

This is a general statement of all spirit of human. God is in control of heavenly places, earthly places and under the earthly places. The spirit of the human with it's soul will go to the place where God prepared, for the righteous to the Heavenly Paradise and the wicked to the torment place, hades.

1Pe 3:18-19 For Christ also once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, indeed being put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the Spirit;
in which also He went and preached to the spirits in prison,


Without Spirit there is no life(Soul)

Jam 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

Rom 8:2 But the Law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death.

Rom 8:10 And if Christ is in you, indeed the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

The Soul/Spirit will return to God, as we are believers we are destined to Eternal Life with God.

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Reply by : sambudhanoor   View Profile   Since : 8 Nov 2005 12:03:04 AM Close
(4) What is the difference between an animal and Human being?

(5) Animal has a Soul Or a Spirit? Or both?

The difference between animal and human being is the self conscious spirit in human beings.

Animal has a body and soul only that is why when they die it will perish, there is no after death existence.

Whereas the spirit in human beings which God created specially in human beings is self conscious and immortal.

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Reply by : sambudhanoor   View Profile   Since : 8 Jun 2007 10:04:30 AM Close
This is related to the present discussion, Life after death
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Reply by : George P. Koshy   View Profile   Since : 8 Jun 2007 10:37:49 AM Close
Dear Sambudhanoor,

Welcome back. Good to see your posting.

Shalom Malekim!!!

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Reply by : sambudhanoor   View Profile   Since : 10 Sep 2008 8:11:08 AM Close
Dear Joy2

For your convenience I bring forward the thread BODY, SOULD & SPIRIT, go through it and incase you need any clarification post it, please.

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Reply by : joy2   View Profile   Since : 10 Sep 2008 11:14:54 AM Close
Dear samb.,

Thanks indeed for bringing the thread forward. I did read through and I seem to think the same as you in that the word soul stands for life or even for person; the spirit in man makes it eternal in character and they can not be separated. Did I understand you properly? So far there is no problem. My problem brgins there. What is the role of the human spirit in an unregenerate man other than making his soul immortal. Is there any other role? Or is that the only role? Then the other questions are there. I invite you to express your views in my thread there. Thank you.

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