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# 00815 :  Using Nicknames
Using “Nicknames”

This is in the context of comments, in bad taste, being passed by some on the usage of “nicknames” or “false names” on this Forum.

I request comments / advice on the following. There are a few Books in the Bible, whose Authors have not revealed their identity but wrote them ‘hiding behind’. The Book of RUTH, ESTHER, JOB etc from OT and HEBREWS from NT are examples. How to view the action of NON-DISCLOSURE of their REAL NAMES by the Writers of those Books? Can we taunt them for this?

I am also aware of the prevailing opinion among Scholars that the REAL WRITERS of some of the Books of the Bible were NOT the ones in whose names they are known now. The reason adduced is that the real writers used those “NAMES” for acceptance or for remaining anonymous, etc

This is to oblige Dr.GPK:
My name is Punnamoottil Thomas Varghese and I shall be using my present nickname in future also on this Forum.

Post by : beracha  View Profile    since : 10 Apr 2006


Reply by : abc   View Profile   Since : 10 Apr 2006 8:25:45 AM Close
Dear Beracha,
Thanks for the posting.
There is a practice in my (old)parent assembly: once in a year annual accounts of the assembly will be published and read out on one sunday. The accountant will read out how much each one has contributed by name, it will be in descending order with the highest contributor coming first. The lesson is that, people will be obliged to give more or a decent presentable sum. (people prefer to give directly than through offeratory).I have found that some poor believers feel very uncomfortable during the process.
But when i moved to a new assembly after taking up a job, i found that in that assembly there is a strict guideline that everything should be through offeratory. Even if you want to give some one personally, it should be put in an envelope with the name of the recepient written on it, but with no name of the donor. There is annual account reading, but no names. Nobody knows who gave how much. And this assembly never lacked funds!
Some body wants to reveal names, but some body wants to keep a low profile in anything and everything. There is advantage and disadvanatge. If your name is published, You will get fame through your hard core arguments, expositions and theological knowledge. If you keep anonymous, you wont get that. There is counter argument also: If you are anonymous, you can tell anything. But anonymous and 'nonymous' people behave the same way as far as i found it here. So if some one wants to be anonymous, let him/her be. and if some one want to be 'nonymous'=known, let it be. Each one is accountable to the Lord.

A Brother in Christ-ABC

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Reply by : Varghese   View Profile   Since : 10 Apr 2006 4:47:37 PM Close
Personally, I am not bothered with “pseudo” names in this forum. It may be there for a reason. Sometimes it is necessary as common names are already taken. Sometimes, revealing one’s identity can create issues. Sometimes, people just want to remain anon. That’s fine. A practice of using “pseudo” names is ok as long as the usage is in honest, sincere & truthful taste, which I think is the case now here in the forum.

I am more interested in the matter and how I can be a blessing while keeping my thoughts in words to a minimum. That’s my take.

God Bless!

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Reply by : beracah   View Profile   Since : 26 Mar 2008 2:25:49 AM Close
Those who are desirous of knowing the proper name of a contributor, who uses a "Pseudonim", must have the courtesy to ask for it.

As much as possible, the Psuedonim user must oblige to such request also.

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Reply by : George P. Koshy   View Profile   Since : 26 Mar 2008 8:38:23 AM Close
Dear ‘berecha,’
Part-1

Thank you for telling us your name. Now I could call you my brother, only when I use that name. You are made my brother not when you are ‘berecha,’ but as you are P.T. Varghese. Using our names, our Lord Jesus Christ made us brothers by being adopted into God’s family and gave us the right to be called “children of God.” That is why I am using my name and not a pseudonym.

I personally do not object to people using pseudonym on this thread, because it is allowed by the owners of this website. The webmaster also requires, as we all agreed to, that we should avoid personal and assembly matters on this forum. When the right to use pseudonym is upheld as a right and discussion of personal and assembly matters are treated as common occurrences, then I have difficulty. When that happens, I respond and question the validity of observing one behavior as the right and the other as an acceptable behavior of birthright. That has the appearance of lawlessness.

Since you brought the books in the Bible to justify using pseudonym on this Forum, let me write the following. The real author of all the books in the Bible is God. It is God’s word. The immediate author is the Holy Spirit who inspired the human authors to write them. The human authors were the tools in God’s hand. When we write with a pen, we do not specify the pen. If we use a computer, we do not specify the type of computer, either. Having said that, please allow me to ask you one question and that is pertaining to the use of pseudonym. Did any writer of the books in the Bible that you referred to use a pseudonym? If not, your logic in justifying the use of pseudonym is not valid. If they did, then you have a point and I have none. When John wrote the Gospel, he indicated that it was written by the one whom the Lord loved. He did not use a pseudonym, either.

(To be cont. Part-2)

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Reply by : George P. Koshy   View Profile   Since : 26 Mar 2008 8:39:06 AM Close
Dear ‘berecha,’
Part-2

God requires an oversight on all human activities, including the local assemblies. That is why the overseers are appointed in the local assemblies by the Holy Spirit and not by men. Oversight is a scriptural requirement on all things pertaining to God’s glory administered by man. Such an oversight is not on this Forum. I expect all members to abide with what they agreed to do. If we do, then the oversight question will not rise. Unfortunately, the human nature desires to violate the rules that are agreed to, before hand. We have agreed to avoid personal and assembly matters to be part of our discussion, on this Forum. If one cannot abide by this agreement, please sign your real name to it. This I say, only if you are using a pseudonym as your personal ID. That will help us to know about the person who wants to violate what he/she agreed to abide with.

The above is my response to your question. I usually do not sign my name at the end of my postings, because it begins with my name. I consider my postings as brotherly epistles. “Epistle” means, letter.

Shalom Malekim!!!

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Reply by : believer.bible   View Profile   Since : 26 Mar 2008 12:55:23 PM Close
I see we are having lots of misunderstanding of late amongst ourselves. The unfortunate result of this is that the world watches us confess Jesus Christ as our Lord and Master while our conduct shows someone else to be our Lord and Master (ourselves).

John 13:34-35
34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

That's right. By this shall all men know that we are His disciples....

Let us endevour to maintain harmony, mutual understanding and respect even as we disagree on certain matters.

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Reply by : joyboy   View Profile   Since : 26 Mar 2008 1:00:43 PM Close
There is (at least) one very good reason for pseudonyms, and at least one very good against:

Con: it emboldens the writer to be inflammatory due to the anonymity of his posts. One can say whatever he wants without concern for the consequences. Many have said that using pseudonyms is cowardly for this reason.

Pro: Whether we like it or not, our community is very polarizing. If one holds to a non-traditional view, then that person is very quickly branded as a radical or troublemaker or rebel. I have many views that I can support with scripture that go against traditional KB teachings. Since I fellowship in a KB assembly, and since I am involved in the KB community, I choose to keep my identity anonymous.

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Reply by : samuel.v.j   View Profile   Since : 26 Mar 2008 11:44:58 PM Close
Dear "saint1"

I do agree with you "WHAT IS WRITTEN is the thing that matters rather than who wrote it " regarding as long it is a spiritual topic & pertains to laws of this thread. Those who are using pseudonym doesnt have the right to mention anyone's or any institution name on the forums which are not a part of the thread or those who are not aware about it.Those who like to be anonymous let them mention the other name also anonymous.


I do appreciate Br.Thomas Varghese (beracha) for identifying himself. Though we have come across in different forum in different topics ,brother in christian love , we dont know each other personally who you are or and vice versa who I am, and many a names you have mentioned in an another thread. Brother if you need a personal clarification/condemnation of any identity you may please contact the concerned person and ask about the fact rather than labelling him /her/ institution in a forum which is not a part of the particular thread.


Yours in Christ
Samuel

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Reply by : beracah   View Profile   Since : 27 Mar 2008 2:30:11 AM Close
Dear Samuel,

you wrote above the following:
".....and many a names you have mentioned in an another thread."

Samuel, please list out those "many a names"?
Which are they?

Cheers.

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Reply by : samuel.v.j   View Profile   Since : 27 Mar 2008 3:23:33 AM Close
Dear " beracah "


I hope I didnt address you the post , are you Br.Thomas Varghese (beracha)


Samuel

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Reply by : beracah   View Profile   Since : 27 Mar 2008 6:58:51 AM Close
Samuel,
"beracha" did a spellcheck and corrected it in August, 2007 to "beracah"

Now i wait for the reply.

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Reply by : beracah   View Profile   Since : 27 Mar 2008 6:59:47 AM Close
Samuel,
"beracha" did a spellcheck and corrected it in August, 2007 to "beracah"

Now i wait for the reply.

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Reply by : samuel.v.j   View Profile   Since : 27 Mar 2008 7:38:40 AM Close
Dear Br.Thomas Varghese in Christ,

I dont intend to have a quarrel or a war of words with any of my dear brethren which is the weapon of the adversary to create disharmony among born again believers.

I replied my post addressed to you keeping in the mind the replies many of our dear ones posted in the thread "Why some brothers are Reverent?" Many in the thread have been criticising each other and in the mean while many names have been dragged in (individual and insitution) which I feel it is not worth to malign any individual or institution. If anyone feels that the concerned insitution or individual is against the Law of the Land , he or she may personally challenge in the court of the Law, but please do not use the forum for challenges and counter challenges. It creates a bad impact on any one who visits this site.


Dear brother you asked me a question, please refer to your posts each one by one and list out the names you have mentioned in the thread "Why some brothers are Reverent?"either by guessing or by obtaining facts to your knowledge.


Brother I have been give reply to your querries, I wrote the above for our self examination including me, no one is perfect , including me and you, when we point a finger towards the person in front of us, four fingers points us our short comings, if you feel in any of my words I am wrong and hurt you, in love of Christ , I owe an apology.


I will not be responding to your querries anymore in this thread .


Yours in Christ
Samuel

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Reply by : George P. Koshy   View Profile   Since : 27 Mar 2008 8:38:00 AM Close
Dear brother Samuel,

We need some lighter moments. Therefore, we point two fingers towards another and three towards ourself. Please do not answer. Just laugh and forget.

Shalom Malekim!!!

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