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# 00928 :  SHALL BE WE NEED TO "REBUKE" AS JESUS CHRIST DID?
Shall be need to “REBUKE” as Jesus Christ did.

Jesus Christ rebuked demons, devils, unclean spirit, etc.

Mar 1:25 And Jesus rebuked him, saying, Hold thy peace, and come out of him.
Mat 9:25, Luk 4:41, Mat 9:26, Mat 17:18, Mar 9:29, Luk 9:42, Jud 1:9

Jesus Christ rebuked wind and sea. Mat 8:26, Luk 8:24
Mar 4:39 And he awoke, and rebuked the wind, and said unto the sea, Peace, be still. And the wind ceased, and there was a great calm.

Jesus Christ rebuked the disease.
Luk 4:39 And he stood over her, and rebuked the fever; and it left her: and immediately she rose up and ministered unto them.

Jesus Christ has the authority and power over all these forces, adversaries, the nature as well as disease.

I started this thread in connection with “Hellisreal” post as a believer need to rebuke these forces.

Shall we need to Rebuke these forces as Jesus Christ did?
Any teaching in the scripture related to this?

Please post your opinions.

Post by : sambudhanoor  View Profile    since : 11 Sep 2006


Reply by : sambudhanoor   View Profile   Since : 11 Sep 2006 6:56:57 AM Close
We can see from the scripture that:

1. Stand Against
2. Wrestle
3. Resist
4. Steadfast in faith
5. Wear the Armour of God
6. To Pray.

So that these forces will flee, but do not see any teaching that we need to Rebuke.

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Reply by : bethel   View Profile   Since : 11 Sep 2006 8:47:50 AM Close
Dear Bro.Sambudhanoor,

The Lord himself tells us in the following references that if we have FAITH,we can give Commands.In mathew 17 he is answering his discples regarding their question about He rebuking an evil spirit.Pls refer:-

Mathew 17:20And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you.

Luke 17:6And the Lord said, If ye had faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye might say unto this sycamine tree, Be thou plucked up by the root, and be thou planted in the sea; and it should obey you.(KJV)


Having said the above let me clarify that,the rebukings practised today is totally not in Line with the Lords instruction for the very basic reason that result is not achieved.There maybe some exceptions who have enough faith and what they say does happens..But honestly i am yet to see such a person though i have heard of a few of them.


In Christ's Love
Jimmi

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Reply by : sambudhanoor   View Profile   Since : 12 Sep 2006 9:08:41 AM Close
Dear Jimmi,

I agree that because of lack of faith so many think cannot be fulfilled.

Mathew 17:20 is the indication of lack of faith in the disciples, but where we can see the fullness of faith. In the scripture or in the history never written or heard someone say to the mountain to transport to the sea and it should be done.

Human being lacks the perfection, is it faith or anything.

Luk 18:27 But he said, The things that are impossible with men are possible with God.

But I heard a story from a preacher that in England an old Lady, believer was staying, adjacent to her house there was a small hill, which was an obstruction to her, she was praying continuously to removal of this hill. One day she saw that the government bring equipments and start to remove the hill in order to make a road. This is an answer to her prayer.

Mathew 17: 20 answer in Mathew 17:21

Mat 17:21 But this kind does not go out but by prayer and fasting.


With the help of Holy Spirit and faith we have to pray so that the prayer will be rewarded, that may be a mountain or evil spirit removal or a disease, as per God’s will.

contd………

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Reply by : sambudhanoor   View Profile   Since : 12 Sep 2006 9:10:04 AM Close
Even if we pray in faith if it is not the will of God it will not be provided. Apostle Paul prayed 3 times for the removal of his thorn, but it is not provided (Shall be need to say he has no faith).

2Co 12:8 For this I thrice besought the Lord that it might depart from me.
2Co 12:9 And he said to me, My grace suffices thee; for my power is perfected in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather boast in my weaknesses, that the power of the Christ may dwell upon me.

We have the right to rebuke the co-believers or children who are at fault.

Luk 17:3 Take heed to yourselves: if thy brother should sin, rebuke him; and if he should repent, forgive him.

There is no teachings in the epistles to rebuke instead it is:

a. Resist, steadfast in faith (1 Pet 5:9)
b. Stand against (Ephe 6:11)
c. Struggle (Ephe 6:12)
d. Wear the Armour of God (Ephe: 6:14-18)
e. Pray and supplication in the Spirit (Ephe 6:18)

We have to do all these things with the power of Holy Spirit, then only we can conquer.

With power of extra ordinary gifts Apostles did miracles, sign and wonders:

2Co 12:12 The signs indeed of the apostle were wrought among you in all endurance, signs, and wonders, and works of power.

Act 5:12 And by the hands of the apostles were many signs and wonders done among the people; (and they were all with one accord in Solomon's porch,

That includes raising of the dead:

Act 9:40 But Peter, putting them all out, and kneeling down, prayed. And, turning to the body, he said, Tabitha, arise. And she opened her eyes, and, seeing Peter, sat up.

If anybody can say they have faith and can raise the dead?

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Reply by : bethel   View Profile   Since : 13 Sep 2006 12:51:38 AM Close
Dear Bo.Sambudhanoor,

your comments are right and well taken..


Jimmi

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Reply by : babugeorge01   View Profile   Since : 13 Sep 2006 2:11:27 AM Close
For there are certain men crept in unawares,... ungodly men,...Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities. Yet Michae the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee. But these speak evil of those things which they know not...in those things they corrupt themselves.
Jude

And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly.
Romans 16:20

There will come a time when we shall judge angels and bruise Satan under our feet... not yet, not now.

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Reply by : sambudhanoor   View Profile   Since : 14 Sep 2006 1:21:46 AM Close
Dear hellisreal

As you are not responded, let me reply to your post in youth forum.

Take the tsunami if any believer has the authority to stop by “rebuking” the sea it might have rescued so many lives. (In Malaysia, Andamans & Nicobar, Tamil Nadu all these places believers met the tsunami, but none of them perished).

Here the problem is a believer does not have enough faith to stop such things, we always lacks the perfection. We will become perfect upon rapture with glorified body. up to that time we lacks perfection.

We can pray if it is the God’s will, it will be provided.

Quote:“and ask anything in my name and it shall be done unto thee...”
Yes, ask means pray if God’s will it will be provided.

In Mathew 9:8 Is the response of the multitude to Christ’s own miracle see Mat 9:6-7

Mathew 10:1 This special power had been provided to Apostles, these are the gifts of supernatural power (extraordinary gifts), that includes raising of dead.

Mat 10:8 Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse the lepers, cast out devils: freely ye received, freely give.

Why the supernatural power provided?
Because their normal faith and ability, they cannot fullfil these miracles, that is why it is provided to the Apostles.

What was the purpose for it?
In order to preach the Kingdom of God.(Mat 10: 5-8)
Mat 10:7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.

There is no Apostles today, if anybody claim to be an Apostle, it is against the word of God.

contd……..

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Reply by : sambudhanoor   View Profile   Since : 14 Sep 2006 1:23:26 AM Close
Even if Apostles asked, if it not the will of God, it will not be provided.

2Co 12:7 And that I might not be exalted by the exceeding greatness of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn for the flesh, a messenger of Satan that he might buffet me, that I might not be exalted.
2Co 12:8 For this I thrice besought the Lord that it might depart from me.
2Co 12:9 And he said to me, My grace suffices thee; for my power is perfected in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather boast in my weaknesses, that the power of the Christ may dwell upon me.

Here also Apostle Paul not rebuking the satan instead asking the Lord to remove it.

Marks 6:7 is the same Mathew 10:1

Luk 10:19 is telling the 70 which the Lord has appointed specially and provided special powers in order to proclaim the Kingdom of God (Refer from Luk: 10:1)

Mar 16: 17-18 is also telling to the Apostles, these all miracles happened and recorded in Acts.

Mar 12:24, 1Cor 2:5, 1 Cor 4:19-20, Col 2:10 all are saying about the power of God.

The power of God will manifest in a believer through the work of Holy Spirit. When we submit ourselves to the God the Holy Spirit, he shall work through us we can stand for the Glory of God, we will be utilized for the proclamation of Gospel, for the edification of the co-believers, the assembly, our prayers will be rewarded etc.

Now the question may arise presently, is this supernatural powers, miracles happened in our lives.

Yes definitely, because of our prayers God will provide us miraculous healing, guidance, protection, comfort etc. all we are getting in our day to day life, as per His will.

But there is no teaching that we have to rebuke these forces, the disease, nature, or the adversary.

We have the right to rebuke the co-believers or our children who are at fault.

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Reply by : sambudhanoor   View Profile   Since : 19 Mar 2008 6:40:38 AM Close
This thread bringing forward as the present discussion is related to this subject "Shall we need to rebuke the devil as Jesus Christ did.
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